[chette777]

Right division will clear it all up.

you guys are mixing your scriptures and dispensations.

most of the time the elect is Israel only.

and no man can be saved aprat from his person choice to Believ on Christ. this dispensation God is dealing with individuals and each must exercise his will to be saved. God will not chose those who are not in Christ to be predestined or confromed Eph 1:4 say God choce those in Him (that is Christ) he does not choose those who are not in Christ. sorry no election apart from a person belief in Christ.