[Paladin54]

I was discussing with my Theology teacher the latest modern version book, that he recommended The King James Only Debate: A Plea for realism, and I expressed how dated, amongst many things, it was, and we thought up a idea. If you will recall the debate book written by Dave hunt and James White dealing with Calvinism, Debating Calvinism: Five Points, Two Views, that's pretty much what i suggested. What if we had a debate book to show the majority of Christians that we have logical reasons for why we believe what we believe.

I had a couple people just from this forum who I would nominate, however, my teacher informed me that any "Greek scholar" would refuse to meet with any one, especially an advocate, who did not "know the Greek". So my questions are:
1. Do you think that a debate book would be profitable?
2. Do you know of someone "educated enough in Greek" to compete with the modernist opponent?

I now that we ploughman do not need to be educated in a language if we have a book that says the exact same thing in English, since God is not limited to the barriers that man makes, but do we have anybody that could "become everything to the world for Christ"?

[Biblestudent]

Hi Paladin54, how about Dr. Peter Ruckman?

[Paladin54]

Brother Ruckman? I think they hate him too much. I actually hadn't thought of him before.

I wouldn't say that we hate him. However, we do not take him seriously because he makes too many wisecracks and does not present himself in a professional manner.

If your friend, John Hinton, would engage, then it would seem a touch better.

That is from an "outsider."

[Luke]

THe only people that know enough about the KJB, and the reasons for people hating it, are hated by everyone for the simple fact that they teach truth (Riplinger, Gipp, Marrs and Ruckman). Others who claim to hold the KJB as final authority, admit to it being liable to additions and corrections (Cloud for example. While I have found many of his articles encouraging and informative, he has stated that he believes the King James Bible could be updated in some ways.)

also: Deborah Riplinger, I mean Gail, is a woman, and many would object to her debating a man (but that never stopped God letting a woman stand up when the men were too weak).

Originally Posted by Luke

Others who claim to hold the KJB as final authority, admit to it being liable to additions and corrections (Cloud for example. While I have found many of his articles encouraging and informative, he has stated that he believes the King James Bible could be updated in some ways.)

I think I've read every article on Cloud's site on the KJB and I have never heard him say that. That he has stated the King James Bible could be updated in some ways. The only thing he has said is that he thinks the Bible for Today's, (Dr. Waite's) defined King James Bible is great. Just bolds the harder to understand words and gives the definition below. I know Gail Riplinger says that we should just depend on the built in dictionary in the KJB. and this may be part of her beef with Dr. Waite and Cloud? To use the Defined KJB is not the same as wanting a revision. I like to look up the words anyway and it just makes it easier to have the definitions below the page.

That is quite a charge, (although a little vague) that you made about Cloud. I hope you can back it up with a quote of his.

Here are some articles written by Cloud re: the KJB. I think you will see he defends the KJB quite zealously.
http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/questionsanswered.htm

[bibleprotector]

There are written refutations which I like:

1. Dr Thomas Holland's refutation of James White's deceptive anti-KJBO book.
http://www.biblebelievers.com/Holland1.html
2. Will Kinney's refutation of Rick Norris' more scholarly anti-KJBO book.
http://www.geocities.com/brandplucke...criptures.html

In my own book (draft available on my website), I address the false notions put forward by Cambridge editors Scrivener (1873) and Norton (2005).

[Luke]

I don't know Thomas Holland, and as much as I appreciate and love Will Kinney and the research he has done into the King James Bible "issue" (it's only an issue with those who hate it :P ), I cannot stomach the calvinist influence that comes through on SOME (not many) of his pieces of writing.

[Will Kinney]

Originally Posted by Luke

I don't know Thomas Holland, and as much as I appreciate and love Will Kinney and the research he has done into the King James Bible "issue" (it's only an issue with those who hate it :P ), I cannot stomach the calvinist influence that comes through on SOME (not many) of his pieces of writing.

Hi Luke. I do not push my belief in the sovereignty of God in salvation and the fact that we were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world. I believe the Bible clearly teaches these truths but it is not my hobby horse, and I rarely mention these Biblical truths in my articles. However I find it highly ironic that most of those who believe and defend the King James Bible as being the true words of God seem to overlook or ignore the obvious fact that the overwhelming majority of the men who were responsible for giving us the King James Bible were themselves "Calvinists".

http://www.geocities.com/brandplucked/CalKJB.html

Just a thought.

Originally Posted by Will Kinney

Hi Luke. I do not push my belief in the sovereignty of God in salvation and the fact that we were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world. I believe the Bible clearly teaches these truths but it is not my hobby horse, and I rarely mention these Biblical truths in my articles. However I find it highly ironic that most of those who believe and defend the King James Bible as being the true words of God seem to overlook or ignore the obvious fact that the overwhelming majority of the men who were responsible for giving us the King James Bible were themselves "Calvinists".

http://www.geocities.com/brandplucked/CalKJB.html

Just a thought.

Here's another thought. The Baptist at the time of the translation of the KJV were sent to jail for preaching the gospel message of Jesus Christ without a license. and sent to jail, (not to mention burned at the stake) for baptizing after one believes in the Lord Jesus Christ, as is exampled in the scriptures. God used those that were able to do the work without being sent to prison. Calvinism is just one of the errors that the reformers held onto. There has always been a narrow path of true believers that never joined ranks with the Catholic Church or the Church of England. Praise the Lord!!