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btw, his usage of "accurate and lovely" discomfits me. Accurate yes, but more .. precise, majestic and much more, including pure and perfect. Lovely without much more sounds a bit elitist and quaint, almost condescending as it would be used by an opponent, and even 'accurate' is only moderately strong. Just telling you how I see it. I don't comment on these issues much, I really like David Cloud and appreciate his labors, so this should be in that context. Shalom, Steven |
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Maybe this would help also:
Here is a list and description of many great books on this issue A BASIC BIBLE VERSION LIBRARY http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/basic-biblevers-lib.html |
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Cloud also says
Let me hasten to say that I DO believe God had his hand upon the translation of the KJV in a marvelous way. I DO NOT believe there are any real mistakes in the King James Bible. The King James Bible has played a crucial role in the preservation of the Word of God in the last four centuries because of the importance of the English language. God gave the English-speaking people an accurate translation. I do believe there are places that could be translated more clearly. I do believe there are antiquated words that could be brought up to date. To say, though, there are changes which could be made in the KJV is entirely different from saying there are changes which must be made, or that it contains mistakes. To say that there are passages which could be translated differently is not the same as saying there are passages which contain error" (David Cloud, What about Ruckman?). The problem with this is that passages translated differently will not mean the same thing, and so WILL contain error. I do not think that David Cloud is some wicked Bible Corrector who hates the King James Bible. Far from it. I learnt a lot from Cloud about the King James Bible (especially 1 John 5:7 and other verses). But I don't think he is right when he says archaic words could be updated. |
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Hi Luke. I do not push my belief in the sovereignty of God in salvation and the fact that we were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world. I believe the Bible clearly teaches these truths but it is not my hobby horse, and I rarely mention these Biblical truths in my articles. However I find it highly ironic that most of those who believe and defend the King James Bible as being the true words of God seem to overlook or ignore the obvious fact that the overwhelming majority of the men who were responsible for giving us the King James Bible were themselves "Calvinists". http://www.geocities.com/brandplucked/CalKJB.html Just a thought. |
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The Defined King James Bible is not a correction to the King James authorized Text, only and explanation of words at the bottom. As far as I am concerned it is a fine piece of work
__________________________________ - “One accurate measurement is worth more than a thousand expert opinions” - “...this is the Word of God; come, search, ye critics, and find a flaw; examine it, from its Genesis to its Revelation, and find an error... This is the book untainted by any error; but is pure, unalloyed, perfect truth. Why? Because God wrote it. Ah! charge God with error if you please; tell him that his book is not what it ought to be. I have heard men, with prudish and mock-modesty, who would like to alter the Bible; and (I almost blush to say it) I have heard ministers alter God's Bible, because they were afraid of it... Pity they were not born when God lived far—far back that they might have taught God how to write.” Charles Haddon Spurgeon (Spurgeon's Sermons Volume 1: Sermon II p. 31) - “If, therefore, any do complain that I have sometimes hit my opponents rather hard, I take leave to point out that 'to everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the sun' : 'a time to embrace, and a time to be far from embracing' : a time for speaking smoothly, and a time for speaking sharply. And that when the words of Inspiration are seriously imperilled, as now they are, it is scarcely possible for one who is determined effectually to preserve the Deposit in its integrity, to hit either too straight or too hard.” Dean John William Burgon (The Revision Revised. pp. vii-viii) |
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