Heh, my wife has a learning disability and she can understand the KJV.

Why not call your new Bible ABTV (Another Bible Translation Version)?)

Foley,
I have a translation for your ID name it is FOOLey. I know it is a temp to stir the pot in this forum, but I hope that you would take the time to read some of the posting that is in this website because I hope that the spirit of God would open your eyes and heart to the truth of His preserved Word and that is the KJV.

Originally Posted by timothy

Heh, my wife has a learning disability and she can understand the KJV.

Why not call your new Bible ABTV (Another Bible Translation Version)?)

I wasn't trying to be mean with what I wrote last night. It occured me this morning that it could be taken as mean spirited, so if that the feeling you got, I apologized for not being clear enough.

It is truth that my wife has a learning disability and that she can understand the KJV just fine. She gets lost in all the newer translation even with their guise of better readability. What would make yours any different than the other translations, who like your translation comapares themselves to the KJV? So really, to me, it's just another bible translation version.

Also Foley, I have a question for your consideration: Are you commissioned by a king to do this?

Originally Posted by sting of truth

thank goodness i'm not as self righteous as this guy is, to think that a person who does not speak greek, or maybe even he does, could go back and correct the work of over 46 men who spoke the language fluently and were masters of the language.. maybe this guy is james white.. james white has a lot of self righteousness like this, always going and correcting the work of others on the nasb which he claims to be the bible.

i got just one question, nobody has ever answered it.

if the KJV is not the infallible, innerrant word of God, what is?

i'd really like to have foley respond to my question..

Hello there,
Praise Our good King Jesus!
As His son I have to pose a question!!
My Father is 100% out of error(I mean He is perfect!!)
My Question is;If there is no perfect word of God Unless
In Greek and Hebrew;then why are we NOT learning the languages?
Another Question;If Greek and Hebrew are perfect word of God,Then
Do we need only Greeks and Hebrews(And all who know the languages)
to preach to us? Because it sounds to me that NO Bible in other Languages
As the word of God is Pure!!!(Meaning 100% free of Impurity)

Suggestion:Foley,my dear,Since your Translation is already 5% Impure,then IT IS NOT THE WORD OF GOD!! Just call it a paraphrase or A BIBLE and NOT THE BIBLE
Stay blessed!
Ev. Steve

Originally Posted by sting of truth

i'd really like to have foley respond to my question..

I am not Foley [for the record I think he may just be writing a little tongue in cheek] but I would like to answer your question if you do not mind. The KJV is a translation. The authors of the KJV were not inspired in the same way as the authors of the Bible. The KJV translators did an excellent job with the resources they had. They did not claim infallibility. They made a few translation errors, most have been corrected. A few remain today. The orthodox position of the church has always held to the inspiration of the original apograph not the copy. There are thousands of handwritten texts (a text is a copy in the original language and a translation is a copy in a different language) that have survived and they all have mistakes, they were copied by fallible men written by hand. Fortunately the problem is with less than 5% of the readings and there is a scientific way of deducing a text from the plethora of witnesses (the method is called lower criticism).

What we have today in English, Russian, German, and so forth are copies of God’s Word. They are inspired in the sense that they are a faithful witness to the original autograph. Making an English copy done in the 16th century and revised numbers of times through the years the standard by which all future translations are measured is an implausible position.

I do not question the motives of those who hold to such a position. I think all of you who do so do it with the intent to honor God’s Word. But in your efforts to demonstrate its reliability you demonstrate your ignorance of factual realities. I am sorry if this statement sounds harsh, the tone is intended to be one of compassionate criticism.

Below is a brief article on the reliability of God’s Word
http://www.carm.org/demo2/bible/reliable.htm

Below is a link to a brief article on textual criticism
http://members.aol.com/rbiblech/Misc...OfTheBible.htm

[Biblestudent]

Originally Posted by foley

I am currently updating and revising the king james new testament with the help of the holy spirit, and it has made me realise just how badly written the king james is and how a lot of potential revelation is missing due to obscure verses and bad sentence structure and mistranslations and the fact that it is so literal(which doesn't translate well to other languages) Just because you may have got used to quoting the king james bible, it doesn't mean there can be no other.
Pesonally i would rate the king james bible at about 80% accurate with 60% of potential revelation available out of 100.
My version is approximately 95% accurate with about 90% of potential revelation available. I will be calling my version the 21st century King James version. And yes it has been written as a tribute and in honor of the King james scholars.
I am basing it on the king james manuscripts and am quite aware of the dubious carnal man made modern versions available and will be avoiding their mistakes at all costs so don't worry.

Wow! Sorry, that I am amused at this. Sounds that you are kidding, right? (I'm friendly; I mean no harm in saying this.)
I had a term paper on "The Masters Behind the Masterpiece". I wonder how one can correct the "masterpiece" of English literature made by "masters" who were conversant in fourteen languages, read Hebrew at four, writes Greek at six, university Greek professor at nineteen, a third university, a walking library, debates in Greek and Latin at tournaments, grew up in Biblical languages and have difficulty speaking in the their native language (as I say it, they can play "hide-and-seek" using Greek), have written lexicons and dictionaries, invented rulers, wrote commentaries on the Church Fathers' writings, tutored royalties in mathematics and languages, etc.etc. Of course the KJV is more than a masterpiece by the masters; it is the Word of God, preserved by God, Who used men of God that were zealous anti-papists and were two-hour preachers.
I remember the story of a young preacher, who presented three reasons why a word is wrongly translated, to which a KJB translator presented 13 more other reasons why the word is correctly translated. Each word in the KJV has passed AT LEAST 14X over the heads of these genius and Godly men.
That's why I'm amused what expertise and Spirit-guidance one person can have compared to the expertise and Spirit-guidance of those 47 men.

[Will Kinney]

Originally Posted by foley

Sorry brothers and sisters.
God did preserve his word, but that refers to him protecting the original manuscripts for transference to multiple generations, not some mans OPINION as to which is the best translation, PERIOD! so snap out of it please.

Hi Folly, Would you mind running that sentence by us again in plain English so we can make out what you are trying to say? Where is it again that God has preserved His words? Can you tell us where we can all get a copy of these preserved words you mention so we can compare them to what we are using now? Thanks.

The very fact that the king james refers to the greek word for "passover" as "easter" is a mistranslation and simply serves to show it is the work of men and not of God. Not to mention where they translated the word for Joshua as Jesus in hebrews, which is proof alone that it is not perfect so therefore cannot be Gods perfect preserved word.

Folly, you might want to reconsider. Apparently you are placing your own mind and understanding above that of the men God used to give us the greatest Book ever put into print.


Regarding Easter see - http://www.geocities.com/brandplucked/Easter.html

(Not everyone will agree with me on this and that is OK, but there are many good reasons for correctly translating this Greek word as Easter because that is exactly what it means today.)

And for your really silly point about Joshua/ Jesus thingy, see

http://www.geocities.com/brandplucked/HebrewsJesus.html

So the best you can do is 90 to 95% huh? Our God is capable of Perfection, and that is what He has done in preserving His true and inspired words in a real Book we can hold in our hands, read and believe every word. I'm afraid your best just isn't quite good enough.

All of grace,

Will K

Your very right all bibles cover to cover are in error and YAHWEH is not a ELOHIM of error
YAHWEH's Scripture (OT) and the Words of YAHUSHUA are there , and are protected.

What you said does not even make sense!

YAHWEH is not a ELOHIM of error

??? How about English - as that IS what we are speaking here.

My Saviour's name in English is Jesus, the OT equivalent is Joshua (and Yahweh isn't even in the Bible).