[Jeff]

Originally Posted by Revangelist

Jeff, that was uncalled for. You didn't pay attention to what I said. According to your doctrine of eternal security, you are saying I'm not really saved.

I'm saved. And, I'm secure in that salvation. I just don't think you are understanding what I'm saying.

I'm sorry if I'm missing something. I've reread my post and I'm not sure what I said that was wrong or offensive. If it's where I said, "If you truly know the Lord..." I didn't mean any implications about you personally, but for all of us. I believe I was stating a fact.

I haven't reread all your posts and I may have misinterpreted something.

Well Debau, I'm sorry you enjoy that experience. I personally don't have that experience. Roman Catholicism doesn't believe a person can be assured of salvation and the Bible clearly says a believer can be.

1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

But the Bible also teaches it can be lost. Else how do you explain this next passage (and the many others I've given).

Hebrews 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:

Your sarcasm doesn't do much for your argument.

Jerry, your interpretation certainly justifies your belief. You are welcomed to it. I just disagree with some of your interpretations. My understanding of the Scriptures leads me to believe as I do. I don't hold your understanding against you. I ask for the same consideration. We are brothers in Christ not by agreeing on every single issue, but because we believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and what He has so wonderfully done for us. If I sounded edgy to you, it is because of where you are ministering (rescue mission?). I would hate to see you push people away because you are so dogmatic that you are absultely correct on every interpretation you have of Scripture. God has shown us all a lot of grace in this area.

Jeff, no offense taken. Grace between two people where there is a disagreement is what separates Christians from "religious" folks.

I'm in no way, shape or form ecumenical. There are clearly cult-like churches out there that don't teach salvation Scripturally. That's not the case here.

[Debau]

No sarcasm intended.
You do a job of misinterpreting other statements by folks here, not to mention Scripture.
I also don't know why you continue this, other than a contentious spirit.
You tell us why.

Originally Posted by Revangelist

Hebrews 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:

It means exactly what it says - persevere in the Christian life and serve the Lord faithfully - so you will have FULL ASSURANCE of hope - not of being or staying saved. Our assurance can be lost - not our salvation. Just like Psalm 51 says "restore unto me the joy of thy salvation" - joy can be lost, not the salvation.

Debau, Why is it considered contentious taking a position and defending it? I could easily say you sound angry. I really don't know if you are or not. I continue this for the same reasons anyone else in this thread does. I believe I'm right and others believe they are right.

If a person comes to a conclusion honestly with Scriptural support and not just repeating something they were taught, I can respect them for it. I don't think I misrepresent Scripture. I just understand it differently than you do.

Okay, Jerry. You honestly believe that. I respect you for it. That doesn't mean I agree with you. I believe Hebrews 2:1-3 and all of 6 are warnings about going away from God and being lost.

BTW: Jerry, I agree with you more than I disagree with you. You've done a good job and show great knowledge in other postings.

To be clear, I’m not saying every Scripture I’ve quoted concerning this subject teaches one can lose their salvation (some do more than others). I tend to agree with the doctrine up and to the point of saying there is no way you can lose, forfeit or otherwise walk away from your salvation. That would be very extreme and illogical. The doctrine of eternal security is excessive, hyperbole and exaggerated because of the number of Scriptures that call that doctrine into question. If the doctrine were absolutely undeniably true, then the Scriptures would support it conclusively. They do not. Scriptures have been shown to support it, and others call it into question. That’s not conclusive and absolute evidence (beyond the shadow of a doubt). That is why I’m insisting eternal security from a Biblical point of view allows for the possibility of loss, however improbable.

Psalms 145:18 The LORD is nigh unto all them that call upon him, to all that call upon him in truth.
19 He will fulfil the desire of them that fear him: he also will hear their cry, and will save them.
20 The LORD preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy.
21 My mouth shall speak the praise of the LORD: and let all flesh bless his holy name for ever and ever.