[Luke]

For Mr Postholedigger, how are you going to know when the seven years begins?

I mean, I will know that the seven years is about to begin when Jesus Christ takes me home.

But how are you going to know? Are you going to wait for the two witnesses, who will just kind of show up one day... or are you looking for the man of sin, who definitely won't be saying "I am the son of perdition". Or are you just going to wait until the 144,000 jews from twelve tribes start preaching the gospel. How will God deal with the Jews again while His body is still on earth.

I mean, I can understand if you take the position that the anti-christ will be revealed BEFORE the rapture, but post trib rapture.. makes no sense.

Better get your boots on haha.. I heard Greg Locke say the same thing about mid tribbers "If you think you are going halfway through that tribulation you better get your boots on, because you are going all the way through". He is a pre-tribber.

Originally Posted by Luke

For Mr Postholedigger, how are you going to know when the seven years begins?

I mean, I will know that the seven years is about to begin when Jesus Christ takes me home.

But how are you going to know? Are you going to wait for the two witnesses, who will just kind of show up one day... or are you looking for the man of sin, who definitely won't be saying "I am the son of perdition". Or are you just going to wait until the 144,000 jews from twelve tribes start preaching the gospel. How will God deal with the Jews again while His body is still on earth.

I mean, I can understand if you take the position that the anti-christ will be revealed BEFORE the rapture, but post trib rapture.. makes no sense.

Better get your boots on haha.. I heard Greg Locke say the same thing about mid tribbers "If you think you are going halfway through that tribulation you better get your boots on, because you are going all the way through". He is a pre-tribber.

Luke, what is a postholddigger? If you are going to insult me can you please explain that term. No offense taken or intended

I am sure that this subject is a thorn in your side, maybe a pet project; I would surprise if you hadn't heard a ton of answers that you have debunked already.

Maybe I can get you some bread to eat, but a problem may be with your premises

thousand two hundred and threescore days is only about 3 ½ year, 7 years is a trick to trip up the truth…. then there is 30 days …….Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Hang on…..Then there is another 45 day to go….. Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Now try this one on for size; two witnesses? They are already here;
Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
It the power that is given unto the two witness that will be new.
Now who those two witnesses are I will let you think about it……., they are not far from you.....I hope not anyway

Pre-tribulation rapture is another doctrine of men, tribulation is a work of the Lord for the glory of God, why would he want to leave us out, when is he going to show his glory in us after there is no one left?
The pre-conditioning that is worked in the believer to fall for this doctrine (pre-trib) is rooted in perversion version and it’s infection has cared over to us King James readers, get free.

I never heard of Greg Locke, I don’t think anyway.

If you believe in getting oil in your vessel I would suggest you do that… you will need it.

[stephanos]

Originally Posted by Scott Simons

Luke, what is a postholddigger? If you are going to insult me can you please explain that term. No offense taken or intended

I am sure that this subject is a thorn in your side, maybe a pet project; I would surprise if you hadn't heard a ton of answers that you have debunked already.

Maybe I can get you some bread to eat, but a problem may be with your premises

thousand two hundred and threescore days is only about 3 ½ year, 7 years is a trick to trip up the truth…. then there is 30 days …….Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Hang on…..Then there is another 45 day to go….. Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Now try this one on for size; two witnesses? They are already here;
Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
It the power that is given unto the two witness that will be new.
Now who those two witnesses are I will let you think about it……., they are not far from you.....I hope not anyway

Pre-tribulation rapture is another doctrine of men, tribulation is a work of the Lord for the glory of God, why would he want to leave us out, when is he going to show his glory in us after there is no one left?
The pre-conditioning that is worked in the believer to fall for this doctrine (pre-trib) is rooted in perversion version and it’s infection has cared over to us King James readers, get free.

I never heard of Greg Locke, I don’t think anyway.

If you believe in getting oil in your vessel I would suggest you do that… you will need it.

I thought the two witnessess were supposed to be Moses and Elias and that God would give them power that is pretty hard to miss? Also isn't the whole world supposed to hear them? Jesus said he would come when the gospel of the Kingdom was preached in all the world Matthew 24:14. Paul said that his gospel was preached to "all nations" Romans 16:25 "al the world" Colossians 1:5 and "every creature which is under heaven" Colossians 1:23 so this would lead me to believe Paul preaced a different gospel than the one Christ Jesus spoke of. This would lead me to ask of someone that believes in this mid or post trib silliness, where are the 144,000 that ARE preachingn the gospel of the kingdom, which is required for Christ's return?

Peace and Love,
Stephen

I tried to send an email to the forum administrator, but have had trouble with my email so I will assume he didn't get it. I am curious though are women allowed to post articles they have written on this site? Please let me know. Thanks.

[Diligent]

You can certainly make your posts, but the line between discussion and teaching should be observed.

Originally Posted by Scott Simons

Eventually all you will have available will be those who have similar pre-conceived conclusions, and all the parts will be the same, and your understanding will stagnate is to a cesspool of regurgitated dogma. This is where you all are near now, in my humble opinion. When ever the truth raises its head, it can be cut off, it can be banned and the merry-go-round just keeps on going. If truth understanding is rooted in reasoning and the reasoning does not project in the agenda of the program it can simply be ignored, or if the envelope is push, shut it down, that is how this site is being run and all you yes men are so busy saying yes yes yes you will never get understanding, and the mod will never have it either, unless you all get out of the box you have built for your selves, for really the box was built for you and you simply are trapped in it .... And you who judge Godly men will be judged also, you better watch your tongue.

Brother, I am growing increasingly weary of your bitterness, your unjust judgment of the brethren, your robust confidence in your own unique "wisdom," and, perhaps most of all, your "warnings." Your posts are not characteristic of a mature Christian man.

I've known NWO/Illuminati/CFR "specialists" throughout my entire Christian life. I've never met a single one who had any interest in the Bible, except to provide proof-texts for his political fixations; and I've never known a single one who was actively working to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ (1 Cor. 15) to the lost. I'm not saying that this is true of you; I don't know you that well. But, from what I've read, that seems to be where you're headed.

I have, however, known a number of zealous, evangelistic, Bible believing men (Texe Marrs is an excellent example) who suddenly bought into the conspiracy game, and became complete castaways when it came to the work of the ministry. Very often, their newfound anti-Semitism leads them into some obscure little corner of the British Israelite camp; I hope this doesn't happen to you.

Your preoccupations and priorities are your own business; you can spend your life debunking Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, for all I care. But I resent your lectures and your insults, and do not intend to be drawn into your tired, predictable intrigues.

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things (Phil. 4:8).

Yeah I don't want to come across as "teaching" because that is not really my place. It's hard when you like to write to not come across that way sometimes though. I have to be careful with that.

Originally Posted by Vendetta Ride

Brother, I am growing increasingly weary of your bitterness, your unjust judgment of the brethren, your robust confidence in your own unique "wisdom," and, perhaps most of all, your "warnings." Your posts are not characteristic of a mature Christian man.

I've known NWO/Illuminati/CFR "specialists" throughout my entire Christian life. I've never met a single one who had any interest in the Bible, except to provide proof-texts for his political fixations; and I've never known a single one who was actively working to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ (1 Cor. 15) to the lost. I'm not saying that this is true of you; I don't know you that well. But, from what I've read, that seems to be where you're headed.

I have, however, known a number of zealous, evangelistic, Bible believing men (Texe Marrs is an excellent example) who suddenly bought into the conspiracy game, and became complete castaways when it came to the work of the ministry. Very often, their newfound anti-Semitism leads them into some obscure little corner of the British Israelite camp; I hope this doesn't happen to you.

Your preoccupations and priorities are your own business; you can spend your life debunking Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, for all I care. But I resent your lectures and your insults, and do not intend to be drawn into your tired, predictable intrigues.

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things (Phil. 4:8).

I don't think you can hear yourself, pretty much all that you accuse me of is of the glove you wear.
I know you think you are real smart, and maybe you are, but you still know nothing as you ought to.
I would suggest you practice what you preach.

Originally Posted by stephanos

I thought the two witnessess were supposed to be Moses and Elias and that God would give them power that is pretty hard to miss? Also isn't the whole world supposed to hear them? Jesus said he would come when the gospel of the Kingdom was preached in all the world Matthew 24:14. Paul said that his gospel was preached to "all nations" Romans 16:25 "al the world" Colossians 1:5 and "every creature which is under heaven" Colossians 1:23 so this would lead me to believe Paul preaced a different gospel than the one Christ Jesus spoke of. This would lead me to ask of someone that believes in this mid or post trib silliness, where are the 144,000 that ARE preachingn the gospel of the kingdom, which is required for Christ's return?

Peace and Love,
Stephen

well it looks like you got it all figured out, who told you all that?

[Diligent]

This thread got pretty derailed, but it does serve as an example of what is not acceptable here. Scott has been banned for promoting a false gospel.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

2 Corinthians 11:3-4 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

It's not the conspiracy stuff that was the problem, it was his continued (and repeated) insistence that convincing people of these conspiracy theories is actually part of the Gospel.