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John Gill was one of the most seasoned hebrew expert of his day. He wrote extensively about the hebrew language. He wrote about Psalms 12:7 Quote:
Are you saying that John Gill is wrong. 2. Did not our Lord say. Quote:
I am interested to read your responses. Sincerely Lewis |
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I suppose I could retort "are you saying John Wesley was wrong" since he agrees with my reading of the passage. But John Wesley is not my final authority either. Quote:
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It doesn't matter how elborate a senerio you put forth to explain that verse 7 is not speaking of verse 5.... if them... is in fact.... him.... in the verse.....your scenerio means nothing. 2. Do you mean to tell me that Jesus was only speaking about the poor that lived during his advant on this earth when He said. Mat 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. ???? If you do not... then why can we not consider that Jesus was also talking about the poor of all generations upon the earth when He said Joh 12:8 For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always. I am trying to understand your logic but I'm not getting it. |
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Re: "Psalm 12:7 - the Promise of Preservation"
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For your information: John Gill (or any of the other numerous Reformers) is not a genuine Bible believer's "FINAL AUTHORITY"! He certainly is NOT my "final authority"! John Gill may be your "final authority" (which is your privilege and prerogative), but when you twist someone else's words to say something that they DID NOT SAY - you reveal just exactly the kind of person you are (A GENUINE SOPHIST!) I have known Diligent for over 15 years and he would NEVER, I REPEAT, NEVER say what you have twisted and wrested his words to say! Lewis' Quote: Quote:
If you cannot produce the exact "quote" (i.e. the very words) that you say (claim) Diligent has said - I would suggest that you go back to whatever hole (Forum) you crawled out of and return as quickly as you can. Because "Christian" Sophists don't do very well here. I have been aware of your argument (John Gill's & many other "seasoned" Hebrew "experts") about Psalms 12:6 & 7 since 1969 (some of us weren't "born yesterday"). I rejected his position then, as I still do today! John Gill was wrong then, and all who have followed him since then are wrong! Believe what you want - it's a "free country" (for a little while longer), but don't try to "bulldoze" your way onto this Forum with lies (misquotes) and misrepresentations of what other people have said, and expect to get a warm Christian welcome or the right hand of fellowship, because I for one cannot abide someone who is so dishonest as to misrepresent and misquote a fellow Christian! |
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Psalms 119:110-111 The wicked have laid a snare for me: yet I erred not from thy precepts. Thy testimonies have I taken as an heritage for ever: for they are the rejoicing of my heart. Quote:
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I didn't mis quote him. I quoted what Jesus said. That is all I quoted. There is no need to get so upset.
The KJV says the "poor" in verse 5. Diligent said this can not be the object of reference for verse 7. One of the arguments he presented was that of the poor not being preserved. Here is the exact quote. Quote:
I did not misrepresent anything. Sorry I didn't captilize Hebrew. Certainly you can't consider me a novice because I wrote such. I never have read where a novice was defined by his punctuation skills. Last edited by llthomasjr; 01-09-2009 at 06:19 PM. |
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One of my posts got lost in posting...
I'll try to remember what I said 1.. Diligent.... It doesn't matter what explanation of the verse you gave if..... the word is "him" and not "them" as mentioned. That is what I was talking about considering Gill to be wrong. No.... Gill is not my final authority. Certainly He knew more about hebrew than you or I. Here is a more detailed explanation of the hebrew Quote:
2. There are verses that talk about the preservation of the poor. For example.. Mat 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. I would call that preservation. Here the poor are talked about eternally. Why can we not consider that the poor mentioned in.... John 12:8 For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always. Is talking about more than the poor that where on the earth during Our Lords advent? Why can we not consider verse 7 is talking about the poor throughout all generations? I know our Lord loves the poor. He commanded the rich to give to the poor. He even told John the Baptist that the poor had the gospel preached to them. Lazarus was a poor man..... I honestly believe that the poor have been preserved through all generations just like verse 7 says. Our Lord has keep them and served them for generation to generation. |
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Re: "Psalm 12:7 - the Promise of Preservation"
Lewis, You "sidestepped" the issue! {S.O.P. for all Sophists!} You SAID: Quote:
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I'm not mad at you - just disgusted! After dealing with "Christians" like you for over 50 years, I have no more patience for dishonest and crooked people. This will be my last Post to you - I do not wish you well. I learned long ago to avoid trouble makers and people who either cannot, or will not, be honest in their dealings with others. Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. |
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Sorry its your last post to me. I was not trying to be dishonest.
I am sorry you do not have patience for me. Patience is one of the virtues 2 Peter says would make you would never be barren or unfruitful. Paul also said.. Quote:
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