[chette777]

look at the chart after the rapture he has dead going before the judgement seat of Christ. at least that is what it looks like. it would seem that people who die after the Rapture are going to the judgement seat of Christ at the beginnin of the Tribulation. if not then the chart needs to be modified to show the that the death after the rapture is part of the rapture.

See the Body Grave body oval and it has a tunnle going to the judgement seat of Christand quoting John 5:28, 29. but that verse is the great white throne judgement not he judgement seat of Christ

[peopleoftheway]

Hey Chette

All that is enclosed in blue lines is "the translation" I think that the gentleman that drew it enclosed it all in the colour to signify the translation of the saints and the Dead in Christ.
I haven't looked over this Chart, but it is from the same brother and is Biblical prophecy.

[chette777]

If so then his Bible verse quotes are wrong because John 5:8, 9 is the great white throne not the judgement seat of Christ.

you see only the body of christ are to go to that judgement. the body of christ is only added to in this dispensation after that no one else is added to it.

the second chart is much better but it still has problems he has the churches of Rev as Church age churches. These are believed but some Baptist to be more than church age churches but types. But they are beleived to be Israel remnant churches in the Tribulation. that is for those who don't see a rapture Gap between end of Rev 3-4:1. i do agree that those churches represent the types of church attitudes during this age. But it also has a meaning for the begining of the Tribulation as well.

[peopleoftheway]

Yeahh I see your point. Could be that this one he made that little bit clearer. Thanks for pointing that out, I hadnt noticed it before

[peopleoftheway]

Hey Chette, just to clarify, I havent really studied the second chart indepth but I can see what you pointed out. I dont hold any of the charts as 100% as they are from a mere man, but He is definately on the money as far as the relevant doctrines apply.

God Bless.
PS mail me on how the Tribe visits went, I hope souls were led to the LORD through his Word and his missionries.

[chette777]

the reason for that is because of the belief that no one at the Great White Throne goes to heaven. but their support verse Revelation 20:6a Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but the verse does not teach that no one goes to heaven after facing the Great white throne judgement. But the Bible does not say that it says, Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. meaning their were some names found in the lambs book of life.

Revelation 20:12-13 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. the word the dead does not refere to spiritual dead but physically dead. this is where they also make a mistake by seeing the word dead and applying it a spriitualy dead. the context is clear it is only physical dead even though some are spiritually dead.

Old Testament peoples before and after the flood who followed after God in truth(very few), and Hebrew saints who died keeping the law by faith with a pure heart had their works recorded in the book of works. the final sacrifice of Jesus Christ was applied to their works because of their faith in God to cover their sins with those sacrifices which unknown to them were only a type. they did so with pure hearts not being hypocrates or religious. the application was done in 30 AD at Christ Cross and placed them in the lambs book of life. that form of salvation is not during this time it is a works based salvation that had to be done right or was useless. it is not a kingdom gospel that was duing the Jesus time and the Great Tribulation. But is similar in that it is a works based salvation by faith.

[LindaR]

Originally Posted by chette777

the reason for that is because of the belief that no one at the Great White Throne goes to heaven. but their support verse Revelation 20:6a Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but the verse does not teach that no one goes to heaven after facing the Great white throne judgement. But the Bible does not say that it says, Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. meaning their were some names found in the lambs book of life.

The Great White Throne Judgment is only for the LOST. If a person finds himself/herself at the GWT, it is too late. To say that there will be those who will go to heaven after the GWT is saying that those who rejected Christ will have a second chance to trust Him as Saviour. Revelation 20:15 does not say "the lamb's book of life"...it says the "book of life". They are two different books.

From Henry M. Morris' Defender's Notes on Rev. 20:15:

Revelation 20:15

20:15 book of life. Assuming that the names of all who begin physical life are initially inscribed in the book of life, their retention there depends on whether they accept Christ as personal Savior after they become conscious and accountable sinners and before they die. Otherwise their names will be blotted out of the book of life (see note on Revelation 3:5; 22:19).

The Lamb's Book of Life is mentioned only twice in the Scriptures:

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (Revelation 13:8)

And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. (Revelation 21:27)

Revelation 20:12-13 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. the word the dead does not refere to spiritual dead but physically dead. this is where they also make a mistake by seeing the word dead and applying it a spriitualy dead. the context is clear it is only physical dead even though some are spiritually dead.

Not "some are spiritually dead"...ALL are spiritually dead also. The GWT is only for the LOST.

Revelation 20:12

20:12 the dead. The “dead” here are the unsaved dead, their bodies having been raised in the second resurrection in order to stand before God in judgment. Whether those believers who are still living in the millennial earth at this time will also be raised—along with any believers who may have died during the thousand years—is not stated, but this would be a reasonable assumption, since they also would have perished in the final holocaust if not before. In any case, their names would indeed have been “written in the book of life,” so they would not be judged with the others “according to their works.” ...Henry M. Morris, Defender's Notes, Revelation 20:12

Old Testament peoples before and after the flood who followed after God in truth(very few), and Hebrew saints who died keeping the law by faith with a pure heart had their works recorded in the book of works. the final sacrifice of Jesus Christ was applied to their works because of their faith in God to cover their sins with those sacrifices which unknown to them were only a type. they did so with pure hearts not being hypocrates or religious. the application was done in 30 AD at Christ Cross and placed them in the lambs book of life. that form of salvation is not during this time it is a works based salvation that had to be done right or was useless. it is not a kingdom gospel that was duing the Jesus time and the Great Tribulation. But is similar in that it is a works based salvation by faith.

There is no works based salvation by faith in Scriptures. (Romans 11:6) Salvation in all dispensations is by grace through faith...from Genesis through Revelation. (Habakkuk 2:4; Romans 4:1-8; Hebrews 11:7) The OT saints were never saved by the Law. Noah and Abraham were saved by grace because they believed God...before the Law was given. The purpose of the Law was not for salvation. The Law was given to reveal sin and to show man that he is a guilty sinner before a Holy God. (Romans 3:19-25; 7:12-13; 1 Timothy 1:9-10). It was also given to bring men to Jesus Christ. (Galatians 3:24-25).

[LindaR]

Originally Posted by peopleoftheway

http://www.godislight.org/index.htm

Awesome charts! Thank you!

[chette777]

read the passage again Linda. It does not say it is for the lost. It is for the dead.

[peopleoftheway]

Originally Posted by LindaR

Awesome charts! Thank you!

The articles are very good also Linda
They are Open Brethren, I only came across the site as a gentleman on there, Albert Hull (look in testimonies) gives his Testimony on there and one of the men he speaks about preaching when he was convicted was my Grandfather