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Matthew does indeed speak of times of troubles, just as you are seeing today!. These will grow in intensity until the time, that the things that are to come to pass, come.
As I said the doctrines of men, have done much damage to the church (body). Our Lord did not see fit to answer the question about his return, only to say watch and wait. And “I will come at an hour you think not!”. |
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Don't take all this personally bro, it's not worth it. Some will use harsh words against what you have posted because they, and I, believe it is a gross error being taught in the church today. God bless your tour of duty! |
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I agree with Brother Kiwi that a "trump" (sound) is not a "trumpet" (instrument).
In the Tribulation period there will be seven "trumpets". Concerning the Rapture, I read that "THE trumpet" shall sound, and the dead in Christ shall rise first; then at the "last TRUMP", we shall all be changed and caught up. So, it seems there is one trumpet to be sounded at least twice at the Rapture. |
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Exo 19:16 And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.
Exo 19:19 And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice. Heb 12:19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Comparing scripture with scripture, we can conclude that the voice of God is like a trumpet sounding, which is what Paul is stating in both passages on the rapture of the Church. The passage in 1Thessolonians 4 seems to be a more complete statement on the subject, the same as many passages in the Gospels where one statement is stated in a more complete manner than in the other, and the one in 1Th 4:16 states that it is a voice, not a trumpet. |
#16
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I see the Trump of God as the others, it is does not belong with the 7 trumpets of Tribulation. The Trump of God is a calling to assembly, thus the "Gathering". While the 7 trumpets of Tribulation, are announcements of coming woes. As for the length of events, and timing, as I said my interpretation may not agree with the many. |
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Below is a comparison between Revelation 11:15-16 with Matthew 24:30-31 referred to as The Great Tribulation and 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 with 1 Corinthians 15:52-53 as referred to The Rapture.
Matthew/Revelation 1Thessalonians/1 Corinthians 1. Tribes of the earth 1. Dead in Christ; Alive in Christ not saved of the earth 2.Mourn 2. Comfort 3.Visible return "see" 3. Invisible not secret "twinkling of an eye or 11/100th of a second. 4. send his angel/ seventh angel 4. The Lord himself 5. sound of the trumpet 5. shout 6. voices(plural) in heaven 6. with the voice(sing.) of archangel 7. -------------------- 7. trump of God The ressurrection of the dead in Christ is an instantenous event. The rapture of the living saints as decribed in 1 Thessalonians is a re-union, a truly gathering of the saints. We may be found faithful until Christ soon return. Jude 25 http:www.fredsites.weebly.com ![]() |
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there shall be a distinct "order and rank" when we hear the "shout." 1 Thess. 4:16. The word used here in the original for "shout" is more or less of a commanding shout, as "calling to order and rank" and can be likened to a military shout, or an assembling shout which calls together in perfect formation and order. Cor. 15:40,41. would preclude the thought of the Judgment Seat of Christ being the place where the order, rank and glory shall be determined. Earth is the place where all this is determined, by the kind of life we live here, all glory to GOD and the good of EACH OTHER and the lost, OR NOT. Even so, Come Lord Jesus and SOON! ![]() |
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Here is the original scripture numbers list. I scanned this in and made a jpg from some of my notes.
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#20
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It sure looks like seven means complete, finished, and done in the following verses, the number ten isn't there: Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. Revelation 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. Leviticus 23:15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. |
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