[Here Am I]

Originally Posted by Vendetta Ride

I believe it refers to the Old Testament prophets, up to and including John the Baptist, who was the last.

When I was at PBI, this question came up, and Ruckman challenged the class: "Go home and find a place in any of the prophets where it says, explicitly, that one must be saved by faith alone in Jesus Christ." I'm paraphrasing, of course; it's been twenty years.

But none of us could find such a verse.

Originally Posted by Born Crucified

Mr Ruckman was using a technique similar to a magicians' sleight of hand or mental suggestion.

Sure, the name Jesus Christ is not found in the Old Testament. But Messiah is mentioned twice; salvation is mentioned 115 times; deliverer is mentioned 8 times; Saviour is mentioned 13 times... many other attributes of the Lord are mentioned throughout the Old Testament.

It was not just the prophets who looked for the Messiah, but patriarch's throughout the Old Testament revealed their faith that one day a Saviour would come.

Jesus said in John 5:39 Search the Scripture's for in them ye think ye have eternal life; but they are they that testify of me.

The prophets gave witness of Jesus Christ. Why question the Word of God?

Ruckman is nothing but a mental magician turning man's eyes from reality to what he wants them to see.

BC, that's not what I was referring to.

I was asking:

How would someone get saved by looking forward to Jesus Christ, before there were any Scriptures prophesying His coming?

How would they have known to 'look forward to the cross'?

Because, BEFORE there were Scriptures written, how did people get saved, how were they redeemed?

Did Adam go to Hell? He did not have Scripture to read, prophets to tell him about the upcoming Messiah. How would he have gotten forgiveness of his sins?

How would he, and others, have known of a Messiah, of the cross, of the saving grace of God, without the Scriptures?

If people didn't have access to either a prophet, or the writings of the prophets, how would he know to look forward to 'the cross' or 'the Messiah'?

Now, Vendetta Ride (VR) is a grown man, and can answer your post by himself, I'm sure, but I wanted to point out something to you: VR said that Dr. Ruckman said to look for Scripture that said that you had to be saved by faith alone in Jesus Christ. He did not say there were no references to the Messiah in the OT.

It is not necessary, btw, to make commentary about a brother in Christ, such as you did about Dr. Ruckman. You might not realize this, but it makes you look petty, and immature.

Originally Posted by Forrest

I'm still learning.

So am I, brother, so are all of us!