06-13-2008, 10:01 PM
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That was the reason why God tried Adam and Eve, to give them a chance to be perfect.>>>Josh
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Let me take this one sentence of yours and lets look at your words “to give them a chance to be perfect”.
If God wanted me to learn how to swim wouldn’t He throw me into the water?
I mean, to be perfect, would mean to walk on the water and never get to learn anything, much less experience learning what it is to swim. (Struggle)
So God designed it to where we had to struggle to learn, and the only way to do that is to place us on earth, a place where all flesh including the animals have to struggle to survive.
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If Eve would have resisted the Devil, and Adam would have obeyed God, regardless of what might happen, Adam and eve would have been perfect.>>>Josh
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Nothing can be gained in a perfect state, there must be an opposite, to measure the difference of accomplishment.
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But because Eve was deceived and Adam chose to disobey God, we became sin.>>>Josh
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If God did not tell you that you were going to be born into a world that lives only for the pleasure of it, then He deceived you and I.
Its like falling into a trap without us knowing at first, but then He provides a way of escape, but not before first learning about it.
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Because of that, as you say God if he was going to save his people he had to save them himself.>>>Josh
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Now your getting the picture!
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That is why God sent his only Begotten Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, who was born of a Virgin. The fact that he was born of a Virgin is ever so important. You see, if Jesus would have been born just as any other human being, his birth would have just been another birth and nothing special. >>>Josh
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Again, your right on!
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The most important reason was this. Sin is in the blood of every human being. "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." Rom 3:23
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Yes, again!
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That is why any human being that is born of a woman if that person lives past the age of accountability and dies without the Lord Jesus Christ will pay for his sins for all eternity in hell,>>>Josh
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OK, here is where you do not understand an important point.
The point is that mankind can not of it self save itself by any thing mankind does, so that places everybody in the same boat, hopeless.
So that God now can become our savior, save us by removing the stigma of eternal damnation to all of humanity, not just those who know Him personally, but all those who don’t either.
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…and then the Lake of Fire. "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:", Rom 5:12 "For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ." Rom 5:17
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God is an all consuming fire, and consumes all sin as goal is tried 7 times to pure gold.
So the lake of fire is a metaphor for Gods consuming fire, to where if it were not so, then lets all give up, for only Gods righteousness can save us.
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If the Lord Jesus Christ had the blood of Joseph in his veins, he would been guilty of sin because we are all under sin that are born of the flesh, but because he was a born of a Virgin, he wasn't tainted with mans blood because he had God's blood.>>>Josh
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God’s spirit, because God has no blood.
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You see the Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins, and he saves us by his grace. But we can in no wise receive grace from God until we believe on his only begotten Son, the Lord Jesus Christ"
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God gave us an option, and that option is without penalty, for Jesus paid for that option for us.
The option is to believe or not to believe, which shall it be?
Don’t confuse Gods deliverance of our souls with the works we do, for our works are as filthy rags.
So that means, whether we are righteous nor not, He still saves us, because it is He whose righteousness saves us, and not ours.
So what difference then is there?
Allot of difference, in that our own righteousness is rewarded here on earth, and our unrighteousness is met with consequences, still will be saved.
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Salvation is open to all who will believe, but you must by your own will choose to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. God will not force anyone to believe on his son the Lord Jesus; you must chose to do so by your own will. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life". John 3:16>>>Josh
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Yes, to “want” to believe in Jesus means entrance into His kingdom while yet in this body of flesh, but if not, then we suffer without Him until we die, and then we shall be redeemed, because He paid the price and not us.
The responsibility to save us is Gods, not ours.
Our responsibility is to learn to be like Him by trial and error, as you might know, that this world can be hell for many people.
Peace>>>AJ
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