Doctrine Discussion about matters of the faith.

 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Prev Previous Post   Next Post Next
  #1  
Old 03-23-2009, 12:49 AM
toiwnz toiwnz is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 20
Default The true last Trumpet

I know that after posting this that many will say that I'm not "rightly dividing the word of truth." Many teachers and preachers have presented doctrines and teachings that have corrupted people's minds from the simplicity that is in Christ. Sometimes people make things that are simple, so complex and complicated. My point is Jesus said He would return again and the angels testified "shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven"(Acts 1:11). That seem simple enough but in today's society Jesus' second coming is made to be (by man) a very complicated topic that few understand. So I'll get to the point. This is what the scriptures say

Events of Revelation 11:15-18 (7th[last] trumpet)

SIZE="2"]15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.[/SIZE]

1-Kingdoms of this world become the Lords
2-Jesus reigns forever
3-God’s wrath comes
4-The time of the dead that they should be judged
5-Prophets, Saints, small & great receive their reward
6-He destroys them that destroy the world.

Scriptures that confirm these events
1-Zechariah 14:9
2-Jeremiah 23:5, I Corinthians 15:25, II Timothy 2:12, Revelation
19:6
3-I Thessalonians 2:16, Colossians 3:6, Ephesians 5:6, Romans 1:18, Isaiah 13:9-13, Zephaniah 1:14-18, II Peter 2:9, Job 21:30,
Isaiah 26:19-21, Matthew 3:7
4-Matthew 25:31-46, Daniel 12:2, Matthew 12:36, John 5:22,27-29, Romans 14:10, Hebrews 9:27 I Peter 4:5, II Timothy 4:1,
John12:48, John 6:39,40,44,54, John 11:24
II Corinthians 5:10, II Peter 2:9, Romans 2:16, Jude 1:15,
Isaiah 26:19
5- Matthew 16:27, Revelation 22:12, Luke 6:35, Luke 6:23,
Mark 9:41, Matthew 5:12
6- Zechariah 14:3,12, Isaiah 13:9-13, Zephaniah 1:14-18,
II Peter 2:9, Job 21:30, Isaiah 26:19-21,
Matthew 3:7

Quote:
HTML Code:
http://www.ritualabusefree.org/BS13-The%20Day%20of%20the%20Lord.htm
36. > IF WE MAKE FURTHER COMPARISON WE CAN SEE THAT REV. 11:15-18 IS DESCRIBING THE SAME EVENT AS MATT. 24:30-31 AND 1 THESS. 4:16-17. JAMES MCKEEVER HAS IDENTIFIED 5 EVENTS THAT TAKE PLACE IN ALL THREE OF THESE PASSAGES.
1. Christ appears in the air
2. There are Loud Voices
3. There is a Trumpet
4. The Dead Christians rise
5. The Alive Christians are caught up.

(Revelation 11:15-18 KJV) And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. {16} And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, {17} Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. {18} And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

In verse 15 of this passage, we see the seventh angel blowing the trumpet. In that same verse, we also see the loud voices. This shout from heaven will join the shout from earth heralding the returning King.....Then a very interesting thing is stated; it says that Jesus Christ begins to reign on the earth as the seventh trumpet blows (verse 17) and the kingdom of the world becomes the kingdom of Christ (verse 15). If Christ is going to come down to the earth and begin to reign, He has to appear in the air. This is the third of the five things that we are looking for at the rapture. In verse 18, we see the dead Christians being judged. They are not going to be judged while they are still in their graves, of course, so there is the resurrection of the dead Christians. We also see that the Lord is going to reward those Christians who are still alive. Also in verse 18, we see the battle of Armageddon, wherein Jesus is going to 'destroy those who destroy the earth'. If the seventh trumpet-the last trumpet in the Bible-had been a plague of grasshoppers or some such thing, this would all fall apart. (Dr. James McKeever, THE RAPTURE BOOK-VICTORY IN THE END TIMES, Omega Publications, p. 91-92)


37. > (1 Corinthians 15:52 KJV) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
> THE BIBLE PLAINLY STATES THAT JESUS WILL GATHER THE CHURCH AND RAISE THE DEAD AT THE LAST TRUMPET. THE BIBLE ALSO PLAINLY STATES THAT SEVEN ANGELS WILL BLOW THEIR TRUMPETS IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION. TO TEACH THAT THE CHURCH WILL BE GATHERED ANY TIME BEFORE THE SEVENTH TRUMPET WOULD BE A PLAIN CONTRADICTION OF SCRIPTURE.




GOD PROMISED NOAH THAT AS LONG AS THE EARTH REMAINED THERE WOULD BE TIME AND SEASONS.
(Genesis 8:22 KJV) While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter,
and day and night shall not cease.
(Revelation 10:5-7 KJV) And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, {6} And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: {7} But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

A.> WE WILL SEE THAT TIME WILL COME TO AN END WITH THE SOUNDING OF THE SEVENTH TRUMPET BECAUSE GOD IS GOING TO DO A MIRACLE IN THE SUN, MOON, AND STARS THAT WE USE TO MEASURE TIME AS WE KNOW IT.

B.> PAUL SHOWS US THE MYSTERY THAT WILL BE FINISHED AT THE SOUNDING OF THE SEVENTH AND LAST TRUMPET.
(1 Corinthians 15:50-53 KJV) Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. {51} Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, {52} In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. {53} For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

6. > GOD WILL BE TRUE TO THIS PROMISE TO NOAH BECAUSE HE WILL MELT THIS PRESENT HEAVENS AND EARTH BEFORE HE DOES AWAY WITH TIME AS WE KNOW IT.
(2 Peter 3:10-13 KJV) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. {11} Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, {12} Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? {13} Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.


IF WE BELIEVE JESUS' WORDS WE CANNOT TEACH THAT THERE WILL BE A SEPARATION OF THE RIGHTEOUS FROM THE WICKED SEVEN YEARS BEFORE THE END OF THIS WORLD.

(Matthew 13:24-30 KJV) Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: {25} But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. {26} But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. {27} So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? {28} He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? {29} But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. {30} Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

(Matthew 13:36-43 KJV) Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. {37} He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; {38} The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; {39} The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. {40} As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. {41} The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; {42} And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. {43} Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

I know many disagree. But we are told to endure until the end Matthew 10:22, Matthew 24:13. How can we endure until the end if we're taken away 7 years before the end? So may say well it doesn't matter if you believe the rapture is before, during, or after the tribulation just as long as you believe Jesus is coming back. But their is a subtle danger in pre trib.

Quote:
It contradicts the plain teaching of scripture. The Second Coming, the rapture, and the resurrection of the dead occur at the same time, on the last day. 1 Th 4:14 -18, John 6:39 ff.
The idea that the church will not go through the great tribulation ignores those Christians who have been martyred down through the ages and those Christians now undergoing persecution throughout the world. It is a doctrine that could only survive in an environment where the church is not currently undergoing persecution.
If the pre-trib rapture doctrine is false then it means that many Christians will be unprepared for tribulation and persecution when it comes upon them. What makes the church in the West so special that it will not undergo persecution?
It fosters complacency within the church and in the world. It gives those left behind a second chance and is less likely to encourage evangelism and missionary effort because the great commission will be fulfilled by the 144,000 and the two witnesses rather than the church. The job of the Great Commission belongs to the Church


In the West we live in a society where there is little persecution against Christians, there is opposition, but it is mainly intellectual in nature. In the workplace this may become more personal, I well remember the surprise in a young Christian when she was discriminated against by her supervisor because she was a Christian. I would suggest that persecution is a normal part of Christian experience, they persecuted Jesus and they will persecute us (John 15:20). We should also note that Jesus promises great reward, in heaven, for those who are persecuted (Mat 5:10-12).
 


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

The King James Bible Page SwordSearcher Bible Software

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:15 PM.

Powered by vBulletin®, Copyright vBulletin Solutions Inc.

Website © AV1611.Com.
Posts represent only the opinions of users of this forum and do not necessarily represent the opinions of the webmaster.

Software for Believing Bible Study

 
Contact Us AV1611.Com