I wasn't talking about either you or Steven Avery, Brother Tim, and it was unfortunately an accumulation of incidents over time that I was responding to from other threads. But the conversation WAS over I think, unless someone was going to post the whole context of John Gill on the subject. I will eventually look it up myself, however, and the conversation is probably over in any case. No, I don't assume anybody's access to resources, but Steven hinted that John Gill said more than was posted here without saying what that might be.