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#81
11-08-2008, 02:15 PM
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 That's very amusing, VR, but I agree with you.
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#82
11-09-2008, 04:01 AM
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Re: atlas' comments - Greg Estep
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It's not about "what George or others may say"!  It's all about "WHAT SAITH THE SCRIPTURE"! What I (and others) have to say is "irrelevant"! What God has to say is PARAMOUNT! And those Christians who "profess" to be King James Bible believers are duty bound to obey the Scriptures when it comes to False Teachers and Heretics (even if they teach in a "Bible School" where you attend, and even if you "like" them.)Can you tell me by the evidence that I have presented in regards to the so-called "Doctrine of Submission" as to whether it is "HERESY"? YES _____ or NO _____ {Scripture Please} If it is "HERESY" - what does that make Greg Estep? {Scripture Please} How is it possible for a man who promotes "HERESY" to be (in your own words): "a wonderful teacher"; "a good man"; "a man of God"? {Scripture Please} Does a LITTLE LEAVEN leaven the whole lump? YES _____ or NO _____ {Scripture Please} Is the so-called "Doctrine of Submission" LEAVEN? YES _____ or NO _____ {Scripture Please} If it is "LEAVEN", then what difference does it make if Estep teaches "some doctrine" correctly? {The Roman Catholic church has the Deity of Christ; the Virgin Birth; the Godhead ("Trinity"); and several other major doctrines "right", but it is (and has been from its inception) the most "heretical" and "leavening" influence in "Christianity"!} Can you name a more DAMNABLE HERESY than a man wanting to displace the Lord Jesus Christ in HIS OWN CHURCH? {Please name the "heresy" - Scripture Please}. I personally don't care what people may "say" or "believe" or "feel" about Greg Estep. For you to say that you would "still recommend him to anyone" after having read the 52 pages of testimony (from his own mouth) that I have presented on my web site - demonstrating, over and over again, that the man continually teaches "False Doctrine" and "Heresy" in his 4 Tape Series (Titled - "The Doctrine of Submission") absolutely astounds me!  Can you not see that the sin that Estep and his followers are guilty of is exactly the same sin that Satan was guilty of when he fell? ? Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be LIKE the most High. The following are some of Esteps most perverse quotes: Quote:
 How could you possibly "recommend him" to anyone after reviewing his perverse teachings presented not only here, but the entire 52 page critique of his 4 Tape Series? We are not only talking about the "Damnable Heresy of "The Doctrine of Submission" - Those 4 tapes demonstrate, over and over again, that the man can not teach the Bible, and anything that he might get right, he probably stole from others since he has shown (in the 4 tapes) that he has so little Biblical discernment. Where are the Scriptures in your Posts #75 & #79 brother? All I see is your personal "feelings" and "opinions". Give me some Scripture to back up what you believe. Is it possible that you may be influenced by "respect of persons" regarding (Dr.) Greg Estep? YES _____ or NO _____ Last edited by George; 11-09-2008 at 04:12 AM. |
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#83
11-09-2008, 04:39 AM
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George,
Is he an apostate or committed apostasy? yes____ or no_____ Now either he is an apostate or he is not. Witch is it? Quote:
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I told you I agree with you on this false dotrine issue. He is not right on this issue. So this issue is not up for debate. Why debate if we agree? This is of little or no value. This is the question. Is Dr. Greg Estep and apostate? Now you prove he left the faith and renounced Jesus Christ and I'll agree that he is an apostate, until then he is not an apostate. I also want you to prove he left the faith. Send me the CD, book or tape. Then we all will call him an apostate, because that is what he will be. Atlas Last edited by atlas; 11-09-2008 at 04:52 AM. |
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#84
11-09-2008, 05:21 AM
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Re: Aussie Mama's Comments
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Aloha aussiemama, Your "judgment" in this matter is in error. You have a whole lot to learn, and if you don't stop judging matters, of which you know little or nothing about, you will never learn to "judge righteous judgment". You are a young Christian woman, and as such, you should be studying the Bible. If you are married you should be following your husband. But the one thing you shouldn't be doing is calling people you disagree with "names" and since you have so little spiritual discernment you should be quietly studying, instead of jumping into a controversy that obviously is beyond your understanding. Most women in the Western World (even Christian women) don't care much for the following verses, but you would do well to learn them before you start judging WHY some of us say and do the things that we say and do - since you (and MC1171611) cannot possibly know our hearts or our motives. Proverbs 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him. {That goes for women too} Proverbs 15:2 The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness. Proverbs 15:14 The heart of him that hath understanding seeketh knowledge: but the mouth of fools feedeth on foolishness. Proverbs 18:6 A fool's lips enter into contention, and his mouth calleth for strokes. Ecclesiastes 10:12 The words of a wise man's mouth are gracious; but the lips of a fool will swallow up himself. 13 The beginning of the words of his mouth is foolishness: and the end of his talk is mischievous madness. 1 Timothy 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. 11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 1 Peter 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; 2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. 3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; 4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. 5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands: 6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement. Titus 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; 4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed. Proverbs 11:16 A gracious woman retaineth honour: and strong men retain riches. My wife is a shining example of God's "perfect woman" as described in Proverbs Chapter 31. As a young Christian woman you should be emulating the excellent examples God has given you in His Holy word, instead of emulating the "typical" argumentative and contentious Western feminist that has little or no respect for anyone, other than her own opinions! Proverbs 31:10 Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies. 11 The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil. 12 She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life. 13 She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands. 14 She is like the merchants' ships; she bringeth her food from afar. 15 She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens. 16 She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard. 17 She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms. 18 She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night. 19 She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff. 20 She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy. 21 She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet. 22 She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple. 23 Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land. 24 She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant. 25 Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come. 26 She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness. 27 She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness. 28 Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her. 29 Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all. 30 Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the LORD, she shall be praised. 31 Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates. "Aussiemama" until you are grounded in the word of God and get some discernment, understanding, and wisdom from God you would be wise to heed the following advise: Ecclesiastes 5:2 Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few. |
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11-09-2008, 05:27 AM
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George,
I noticed you dodged my last post, therefore I'll post it again. It's a simple question really. Quote:
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11-09-2008, 07:36 AM
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11-09-2008, 08:13 AM
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Lots of Bible verses != spirituality |
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11-09-2008, 08:26 AM
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11-09-2008, 10:24 AM
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Maybe you should take your own advice. I never accused you of " stinking thinking. " Maybe you need a little prayerful reflection as opposed to name calling. All I did was ask a very simple question it was not an antagonistic or sarcastic question. You have attacked me on about 3 or 4 post and I have no idea as to why. Quote:
This is what I posted before I ask the question. Is this what you call " stinking thinking? " Quote:
Atlas Last edited by atlas; 11-09-2008 at 10:37 AM. |
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