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WWJD,
So what do you think about the fact that Jesus will kill hundreds of millions of people? Quote:
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I also ask you to tell me who the LORD was, you will not do so why not? War has nothing to do with O.T. Law, it never has and never will. Here is the bottom line, you do not line up with what the Bible says about war and killing, therefore you dismiss what it says and believe what you wish to believe. You are your own final authority, if the Bible lines up with what you believe then fine, if not you'll find one or two verses that can be taken out of context and twist them to make them agree with what you believe. Not one of those verses you use has anything to do with war. The word war can not be found in the context of any of verse or in 10 verses either way of any of those verses you use. You need to do some Bible study and learn what conext means. Anyone can make the Bible say just about anything when you take a few verses out of context to fit with what they believe. Atlas Last edited by atlas; 10-03-2008 at 02:35 PM. |
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(Matthew 24 Jesus says that in the last days there would be many wars, and people would greatly sin. Jesus implies that wars are when people fall away from God. |
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umm, what about love our enemies, do good to them that hate you, pray for them which persecute you? Ohh, so we should not follow the Bible. Oh ok. I understand your point of view
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WWJD,
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What dose this have to do with war? This was about Jesus being taken to die for our sins. He had to die for our sins this is why he told Peter what he told him. This has nothing to do with war. You are taking the Bible out of context again. Can you show me war anywhere in this passage or even close to this passage? Dose Jesus say anything war is sin in Matt 24? He is telling all what will be going on in the last days. Also let me ask you again. Quote:
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I also ask you to tell me who the LORD was, you will not do so why not? Quote:
You can not fine one verse in the Bible that tells us that God or Jesus is opposed to war, unless you pull it out of the context that it was written. Now what dose the Bible say about war, I do not care what you think. What dose the bible say about the issue of war? This is what matters. Show me where Jesus says war is a bad thing. Chapter and verse please. Atlas |
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In the OT, God set certain rules. In the NT, God kept some of the rules, while other rules he did not keep. God does not support a physical war in the NT. God does support a Spiritual war in the NT. (Spiritual war is the war against Saten and against Sin.) Find me a place in the NT where Jesus promoted violence. Here are the verses, that Jesus did prohibit violence: Matthew 5:44, Matthew 26:51-52,Luke 9:54-56 As a matter of fact, Jesus the it is Saten who supports wars (killing) John 10:10 By the way, when I say war, I am referring to a physical war, not a spiritual war. He that has ears, let him hear and understand. Quote:
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Wars promote violence. In wars, people are hurt, and people die. Quote:
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Find in in the NT where Jesus, Paul or anyone says that. This is an example of God's agreement in the OT "Matthew 5:44Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name." This is an example of God's agreement in the NT "Matthew 5:34But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:" You are telling me to follows God's agreement in the OT Quote:
A war is an extreme force of violence If Jesus would be for physical war, then why would this? "Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God." Quote:
"Luke 2:14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men." This a clear example that God wants peace on Earth. |
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WWJD,
There are no laws on war in the Bible. Show me one O.T. or N.T. law forbidding war or one O.T. law about war. There are laws on what to eat, how dress and so one. THERE IS NOT ONE LAW ON WAR ANYWHERE IN THE BIBLE. No law says, " thou shalt not whatever, whatever war. " There are laws on marriage, divorce, eating, temples, who be scribes and on and on. Yet there is not one law on war in either testament old or new. Quote:
2. Matthew 5:44 also has nothing to do with war, you misapply the verse again. 3. Genesis 9:5-6 this also has nothing to do with war. 5. Matthew 24 dose not forbid war here either. 6. John 1:11 also has nothing to do with war. 7. Luke 7:12-13 you miss applied this to war also out of context. 8. John 10:10 No war forbidden by God here taken out of context. 9. Matthew 10:39 No war forbidden by God here taken out of context. 10. Luke 9:54-56 No war forbidden by God here taken out of context. Now here are 10 examples of you taking the Bible out of the context that it was written to make it look like it backs up what you believe. Quote:
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Atlas Last edited by atlas; 10-03-2008 at 03:32 PM. |
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Here are some verses for fodder for this thread. I won't exposit, but am interested in the response(es).
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Romans 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. |
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I be your huckaberry but just short inserts, time is a crunch rigth now.
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Lots to be said here but that the quick reply |
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There is a verse somewhere in the minor prophets about the return of Christ, and how his saints will wage war against men, and if the saints are stabbed or cut with a sword, they will not be wounded, and they will kill thousands and thousands of men.
EDIT: Here it is Joe 2:7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks: Joe 2:8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded. Joe 2:9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief. Joe 2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: Joe 2:11 And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it? |
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