[chette777]

The single greatest claim of Global warning is the emissions of Carbon Dioxide and other carbon based gases into the atmosphere. Many claim that the atmosphere once had more Carbon Dioxide and carbon based gases which created a green house effect, and they claim that man cannot live in that environment.

Young Earth proponent say the same thing but that man lived for a thousand years in that type of environment. They claim that there was no rain upon the earth until the flood. they claim that there was an enveloping cloud barrier around the Earth that kept it in a perpetual greenhouse. Because of the lack of mention of the word rain they assume there was no rain from Gen 3-7. If we follow that train of thought then the Bible tells us it only rained a few times since God created the earth.

But the Bible makes a statement preserved in the KJV to the opposite. Gen 2:5-6 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. All of this was before day six. The reason for no rain 1) the Lord had not caused it to, 2) and there was no man to till the ground, so from the colon until the period is the reason why there was no rain. And would they have us believe that plants didn't grow until after the flood? The mist that watered the earth is much like our terrariums as the waters in the air was heated and cooled by the atmosphere it would water the ground.

After the fall of Adam, God said he would till the earth Gen3: 17c-19b . . .Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; . . . The sweat of thy brow indicated Adam will have to till the ground to get his food. And in Gen 4:2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

The Bible clearly tells us that one reason for there not being rain from day 2 to 6 was because there was no man to till the ground. By Genesis chapter four, sometime after Adam was expelled from the Garden God had made east in Eden, at least 18 years, we are told Cain is a tiller of the ground, and obvious he learned that skill from his father Adam.

So if we are to take God’s word at face value there was rain before Noah’s flood for there were men to till the ground. It is equally silent but less likely that Noah nor the inhabitants of the earth at that time did not know what rain was. It seems quite clear Noah and the people knew exactly what rain was and there is no indication they knew not.

While many claim there was not direct sunlight hitting the planet between the garden and the flood this cannot be proven by scripture. Scientist of our day claim that if a carbon atmosphere did exist man could not live in it. in the 70's test were done by students at Berkeley University (CSBU 1970 agriculture dept doc.#70-9719ADTS pub1976 Berkeley Press) using terrariums. The terrariums were set up to mimics an atmosphere that had no sunlight (direct sunlight but filtered light) and was filled with a 70% carbon dioxide based gas. While Mammals died within these living condition from respiratory conditions and pneumonia(generally within weeks) Reptiles and insects lived normal lives. Apparently snakes and cockroaches were able to survive where mammals could not.

Anyway, this was only stated to show that it would have been very difficult for fallen man to live in such a terrarium type atmosphere for 1,000 years or so without dying off from respiratory illnesses.

Now the current claim of global warming proponents (extremists) is off base as it would take us a much longer period of time to add Carbon dioxide gases enough to cloud our atmosphere. One way of doing this we would have to eliminate all plant life from the face of the earth including the seas and including mold, Lichen, mosses and fungus’s as well. Impossible at best. You would need a earth with no plant life on it and Mammals exhaling carbon dioxide and other types carbon gases for over 3000 years to create such an atmosphere as the global alarmist have suggested. Currently the earth and it’s cycles of heat (from the sun) and its climate changes are all set in place to create and eliminate carbon dioxide and other gases from the atmosphere and it does so at a very effective rate or we would have been in a green house effect already.

Just some facts: Did you know that while first world nations have been forced not to use CFC propellents in products
they produce that 3rd world nations (of which there are more) have been using them since the 1950's in their local products. DDT which is banned in the US is widely used around the world by other countries. While the US and the EU nations have reduced their greenhouse gases the rest of the world continues to pump out greenhouse gases far more that the US and EU ever did. Currently China is the largest producer of Greenhouse gases. (This is only two types of chemicals banned in the US and EU that never was halted in other nations)

But what the Global Warmist don’t want you to know especially the average man and woman is that Global warming will happen and it will happen without greenhouse gasses. We are entering a time in our history where once again we are seeing Bible Prophecy (i.e. Israel) coming true as we prepare for the one world Govt of the Antichrist. And the Bible tells us part of what is to come is Global Warming.

Rev 16:8-9 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory. This global warming will not be from a greenhouse atmosphere which will envelop the earth but from the directive will of God for punishment of Israel and unrepentant Gentile mankind. Global warming will not create a greenhouse but a dry scorching heat that burns. But it burns like nothing man has ever experienced before. As we see the over all temperature of our solar system getting hotter we see God’s will beginning to work in preparation for the 7 year tribulation soon to come to a earth near you. This seven year tribulation period (the Great Tribulation) is known as the chastisement of Israel and the pouring out of Gods wrath on unbelieving Gentile mankind.

Fortunately, 1Cor 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. God has already given you the way of escape through his Son Jesus Christ. Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. The only thing a man can to is to believe on Christ Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. If you have not obeyed Gods word in John 6:29 you are a child of disobedience and if you are come unto the time of great Tribulation you will experience God’s wrath.

You have a chance today to not experience the global warming to come and that is by trusting Jesus Christ to save you through Faith on His finished work of the cross.

[Jeremy]

Scientific proof:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMeyx...eature=related

[chette777]

Jeremy, I love those old May Berry RFD (Andy Griffith) shows.

[Winman]

Chette

I tend to believe that it did not rain until Noah's time. The early earth was watered by the mist that came up from the ground. The first mention of rain in the Bible is Gen 2:5

Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

This does not say God had not caused it to rain upon the earth BECAUSE there was not a man to till the ground, it says AND. Big difference.

The second time the word rain appears in the Bible is when God warns Noah of the flood in Gen 7:4

Gen 7:4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

So, I tend to believe that the earth was watered by this mist that came up from the earth until Noah's time. Surely the earth underwent drastic environmental changes during the flood as men's lifespans dropped dramatically after the flood.

I do not believe in the current Global Warming scare, in fact, the earth has been cooling since around 1998. Temperature tends to rise and fall in cycles, this is normal. Here is a graph of temperature for the last 1000 years.



The verse you showed in Revelations does seem to indicate that either the sun will produce more radiation during the Tribulation, or else the world will not provide as much protection as now.

However, until then we can rest assured that God will keep our planet safe, because he promised to do so in his Word.

Gen 8:22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

[chette777]

a lack of the mention of the word rain proves nothing. and this will be my final word on it. as you noticed I did not write this to get into another debate that leads to name calling and false accusation.

I wrote it for evangelical reasons.

I do not wish to debate with you any more on any subject thank you.

[chette777]

ever notice that false teachers are likened to clouds with no rain. kind of like a cloud shrouded atmosphere for a 1,000 years.