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I hope the following helps some of you understand a Gap view without supporting evolution.
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reminder this view does not support the Evolutionary Gap theory or Theistic Evolution and Progressive Creation or day-age theories.
Last edited by chette777; 02-24-2009 at 11:33 PM. |
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Just so those who don't read the post. this does not support the secular Intelligent Design movement that has been sweeping the Nation either. we hold to Biblical Literalism and agree with much of what the Young earth proponents teach. we are at odds only in a couple of areas leading to our rendition of the Non-Evolution Gap Theory
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Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. The gap theory can't be supported when you step away from the muddy unclear verses that you can make any interpretation from and look the clear verses that show it to be a farce. Notice in verse 1, it says the heavens and the earth were finished, and ALL the host of them. Verse 2 says he rested from ALL his work which he had made. Verse 3 says he rested from ALL his work he had made. These three verses say that God rested after he created ALL the host of the heavens and the earth and ALL of the work had made. Everything was made in the six previous days unless you include this gap as being part of the creation God rested from. Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. In six days the LORD made heaven, and earth, the sea, and ALL that is in them. That means everything that dwells in the heavens, the earth, and the sea were created in the six day creation period. Mar 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. From the beginning of the creation? I thought angelic beings were only made at the beginning of creation. Sounds like Jesus didn't know about this gap. Mar 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. This verse can sway either way, but the the phrase beginning of the creation shows up again and the last verse points out that God made us male and female and if we look at this verse that beginning was from the beginning until now. When was the beginning though? Well, there only one verse that declares the beginning. Taken in context of the verses that I gave we can see that this period lasted 6 days, everything that dwells in creation was made in those six days, and that Jesus only recognizes the six days as the beginning as the creation of God. That gap must have been awful small. Last edited by kevinvw; 02-26-2009 at 02:52 AM. |
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Gen 2 speaks of the finished 6 day creation we do not disagree with that.
Exodus in speaking of the 6 day creation. we do not disagree with that. Mark 10 speaks of the 6th day of Creation he made them male and female. we do not disagree with that. The beginning of 6 day creation was by our view after a great affliction that had taken place as mentioned in Mark 13, so Jesus is correct for the affliction to come will be like nothing ever to have happened since the six days creation. that would indicate the flood of Noah was nothing compared to what is to come or what had preceded the current 6 day creation. There will be stars hitting the earth, planetary shift, increase in solar heat, world wide drought and no wind. Imagine nothing like that has ever taken place since the 6 days of creation ever. But before the six day creation the earth had suffered something devastating and left it covered in waters. So in that sense we agree wit the Lord Jesus not your view of what he is saying. We agree that there was a six day creation. all that has to do with this present world that is reserve for the fire. the Lord is not obligated to tell us what happened before. He has only revealed what pertains to the current creation, of which was a result of the 6 day creation and the purposes for this earth and its creatures. And the KJV Bible is clear what that purpose is, the Glory of God. your argument still does not answer 2 Peter 2:5 nor Job 38:4-7 Please I would prefer, because we already know some of you do not agree with our view, though you have never fully known what our view is. So go argue somewhere else. This is here in part to present a partial view of what we hold when we say "we beleive in a gap". You don't have agree and we respect your view and your right not to agree with ours. Any helpful comments or rebuttles should be directed to the Authors email address in the above post. He will read all emails but may not respond to all of them. Remember most of what is taught by young earth advocate is agreed by us. We differ only on the fact that we believe the earth is older than the current 6 day creation, and we believe the sons of God were created before the six day creation. Again we don't agree with Millions of years old earth Evolutionists, Theistic Evolution, or Progress Creationism, we don't hold any view like those of the Day/Age theory where Day represent longer periods of time. We agree in a six day current creation which we are living in today. Also we are not in agreement with the Humanistic Intelligent Design Movement which denies a GOD. We do however affirm that God is the Intelligent designer of all the current 6 day Creation has, and before and yet to come. Last edited by chette777; 02-26-2009 at 07:08 AM. |
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Obviously this is the flood of Gen 7. I think you meant 3:5. 2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: Cross referenced with 2:5, Peter called the world before the flood of Gen 7 the old world, which would make this the same flood. Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? This could easily be on the first day. God was about to create the earth but decided He wanted something to see this and glorify Him, so He created these angelic beings. I know what your view is. I used to believe it until I was shown the obvious that you can't get around which you didn't get. Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11 and Mark 10:6 point to the obvious that the six days of creation were the beginning, and that there wasn't anything in creation before then. It says that God rested from ALL of his works and the creation of ALL that dwell in them. That means Satan, angels, cherubs, x, y, z, were ALL created in the six days. If you're going to post something on a forum, don't expect everybody to let you post something and just pat you on the back for it. Last edited by kevinvw; 02-26-2009 at 11:51 AM. |
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yes you are correct 2Peter 3:5 was the verse I was referring too my mistake. well in Gen 1 the earth is already created. the Angels are already created for they were there and sang for joy.
those are the beginning of the current creation and we agree with that. but it is not referring to the earth in eternity before we find God spirit hovering over a waters covered earth. God began his work by establishing time that never before was in existence. This is an important thing to understand. it was from this time forth that time is recorded. The Bible is the only book recording the times of men, their ages and length of life. Work has to do with a 24/7 week Even God worked according to a 24/7 time frame (resting on the seventh day). It is at the time of Gen 1:2 God decided to bring in Time before this there was no time periods. It is interesting to note at the time God separates this current creation from his abode (the third Heaven) he brings time in to the picture. Separating the light and the darkness created the time cycle. later the sun, moon and stars are put in place for times, seasons and signs. between these the firmament was put into place and plants were created. these creation were done according to the 24 hour a day cycle. Actually when we have all been through this before when one of the other views was posted namely the NO GAP view. there were all sorts of arguments. But the problem was no one understood our view and they kept labeling us Evolutionarians, theistic Evolutionists, or Progressive Evolution which we do not hold or agree too. that is the reason for this post to show our view. We believe when there was no time God created the heaven and the earth. then something happened. we don't know exactly but the earth is found in a chaotic state covered in waters and the Holy ghost hovering over it. Then God (the Father) begins by calling forth light (not creating it, so this could be the God the Son) and he separated the light from the dark and started a time period system for the current creation which took 6 days. that time system needs to have the Sun and moon created to keep perpetuating the 24 hour day. The creation of time is very important to keep in mind. for God and Angelic beings (Arch Angels, Angels, Cherubim and Seraphim exists without time. Only this current creation needs time. and it will all end just as it does in Rev 21 with a new Earth created in only moments as we can tell for time will be no more. the heaven and earth in Verse one were created before there was time> Verse tow we have the Spirit of God no time yet verse Gen 1:3 is the introduction of time and it ended as an evening and a morning were teh first day. what was created teh first day was TIME our twenty four hour day. which until this time never existed. This is one factor the NO GAP guys never cover the creation of time. It seem they assume that time always existed. But it is clear when time was created on day one of this current creation and it could not be carried out for us over the 6000 years without the creation of the Sun, Moon and Stars. Kevin, Thanks for the input I copied it an emailed to arched. Last edited by chette777; 02-27-2009 at 05:13 AM. |
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How were the heaven and the earth created in the beginning before there was time though. There can't be a beginning without time. I'm not saying that time has always existed. I am saying though that it doesn't say before time existed the heaven and the earth and the host of them existed with God.
It is clear that the deep is a body of water that separates the second and third heaven, and the face of it is frozen. Job 38:30 The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen. Rev 4:6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. I think that this sea of glass is the frozen face of the deep. So, it would make sense that the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the deep if the throne of God is there. It doesn't say how the deep was made, but it exists after God created the heaven and the earth, so it was probably created then. Plus, there is no evidence of a universal flood if 2 Peter 3:5 is a reference to the flood of Noah, which I think that Peter calling the earth before the flood of Noah the old world pretty much destroys it. I'm still seeing a major lack of support for the gap theory in any of its forms. |
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