Greetings Group,

I recently was a part of a Bible Study group that believed in prededtination so strongly, that most of the group believed that Jesus did not die for all the world but only for an elect group. This teaching is referred to as "limited atonement" in the 5 points of Calvinism. I would like to know this groups thoughts on this subject. Did Jesus die for only an elect few or did he die for all? Your thoughts please.

[Luke]

He died for the whole world, EVERYONE and anyone who tells you otherwise is wrong, whether they believe in eternal security or not.

[JerryW]

Christ only died for his chosen people(the elect, his sheep, or the called, whatever term you want to use to describe those he foreknew before the world even began). It was not necessary for Christ to die for the reprobate(unbelievers who would not be saved)because he is not a man, thus he already knew before he even went to the cross who would believe and who would not! God is not going "thru time" with us, as we are in this earthly life. He knew the end from the beginning.

[Debau]

Originally Posted by JerryW

Christ only died for his chosen people(the elect, his sheep, or the called, whatever term you want to use to describe those he foreknew before the world even began). It was not necessary for Christ to die for the reprobate(unbelievers who would not be saved)because he is not a man, thus he already knew before he even went to the cross who would believe and who would not! God is not going "thru time" with us, as we are in this earthly life. He knew the end from the beginning.

John 3:16 For God so loved the ELECT{world}, that he gave his only begotten Son, that {whosoever believeth in him}only the ELECT should not perish, but have everlasting life.


Galatians 1:6
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Whosoever

[Debau]

2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.


1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

1 Timothy 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Romans 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Right on

[chette777]

He died for the whole world that is everyone.

But not everyone will receive the gift of God.

It is the will of God that none should perish but ALL come to the knowledge of truth.

So the choice is in the hand of each man when he hears the Gospel, is whooed by the Holy Ghost through Conviction of sin, Righteousness of God and the Judgement to come, and offered salvation in Christs finished work of the cross.

If they turn it down they are condemened, if they accept it they are chosen in him to be Holy and without blame before God, predestined to be adopted of the Father, they are Justified from all things, given Christ righteousness, forgiven, and sealed with the Holy Ghost until the time of redemption.

[PB1789]

Originally Posted by JerryW

Christ only died for his chosen people(the elect, his sheep, or the called, whatever term you want to use to describe those he foreknew before the world even began). It was not necessary for Christ to die for the reprobate(unbelievers who would not be saved)because he is not a man, thus he already knew before he even went to the cross who would believe and who would not! God is not going "thru time" with us, as we are in this earthly life. He knew the end from the beginning.

AMEN! Good answer JerryW..!

Rather than stop reading at John 3:16,,, folks should read John chapter 6 and then turn over to John chapter 17 and read that. Even though the Thread starter is "Banned"...I hope he will actually read these two chapters and Romans chapter 9-especially verses 12-22.

Since someone else mentioned a book to read, I'll mention one very germaine to the subject of the Thread: "The death of death in the death of Christ" by John Owen. Look for a pamphlet titled "The Introductory essay" by J.I. Packer---It might be found on the internet (do the Google). It is the primer for reading the book by John Owen.

..."My sheep hear My voice"... Jesus the Christ

[chette777]

2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: And that he died for all,

Clearly Christ is potrayed as dying for all men not just us who were chosen in Christ. Gods choice was made by foreknowing who of us would be in Christ. see Eph 1:4. it is only those who believe we should no longer live lives of sinfulness.

1John 2:1 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
the propitiation came by Christs death that was for all, but not all will accept his work. does the whole world beleive? No but Christ died for them just the same that he might bring them to God.

1 John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
here again Christ is saviour of the world this is not the planet but the all the people of the planet. but again not all will receive the free gift of God.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
again he dies for all. only those who beleive will not perish. many whom he died for will go to hell and suffer eternally with the memory of every time the Gospel was spoken to them and they didn't beleive.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
and here again Christ suffered for all are unjust. every man is born unjust into this world. the cliker is the fact that he might bring us to God which tells us not all who here of his sufferig will beleive.

to say God only allowed Christ to die for some and not for others, portrays a God who acts more human than a Just Almighty God. Christ died for all humanity but not all humanity will accepts Christs death on their behalf.

Owen and Packer are Calvinist