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I couldn't help but notice the phrase "advanced revelation" pop up again in a recent thread that posted a quotation by David Cloud. His quote contained the usual statement many have adopted in order to separate themselves from a certain company of King James Bible believers. He said...
This is not to say that I believe it (the King James Bible) is some sort of “advanced revelation.”This is not an attempt bash Cloud or anyone that attempts to make this separation (though I'm not against it - the bashing that is ![]() But I'm curious now, how many of you really know where the phrase came from, and to what does "advanced revelation" in the King James Bible mean? Furthermore, I believe a correct understanding of the teaching will probably clear up the "cloud"s of confusion. |
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I don't believe I have ever seen the term used in a way that wasn't either "tongue in cheek" or as a straw man by critics. It would seem that a strict definition would be that advanced revelation is a truth not revealed by God until a later date -- and not just that truth being unknown, but unwritten. If that is what Advanced Revelation is, then it's an imaginary concept. There are things not understood in God's word until later times, but that doesn't mean they weren't already written.
However, if Advanced Revelation means that the Holy Spirit did not make the full understanding of a part of Scripture known until a later time, that is obviously true. |
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http://www.wayoflife.org/articles/ruckman.htm Quote:
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I have the Docs.Book the Christians Handbook Of Manuscript Evidence. From whence the quote comes from as well in some his other works.
the context is Acts 19:37 where the AV says Robbers of Churches whereas the MVs have Robbers of Temples. I will give brief quotes here page 125-126 "There are two greek words used. This type of correction comes under the heading of:church should have been translated assembly and baptism as immersion etc). But the careful student of the scripture through long familiarity with the AV text, has been surprised more than once by the marvelous undesigned "coincidences" which God the Holy spirit has inserted in the Bible, with the awareness of the translating committee." he then goes on to exegete the passage applying it to idol worship and it's relation to prophecy. I pick it up again... "If it is left as temples all future application is nullified for the pagan temples of Dianna disappeared with the pagan idolatry of pagan Rome.. but!!!..... if Rome where to exchange Diana for Mary and Icons for Images and CHURCHES for Temples, then the Reformation text would point a finger in the right direction clearly and a direction that the greek is unable to indicate." Moral: "Mistakes in the AV 1611 are advanced revelation!!" Hope this helps folks and clears up one more slanderous remark about Doc. Ruckman... ![]() Every Blessing... ![]() |
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Thanks brother,
I would have done that sooner, except I have given away most of my books on this subject. It's just simply "amazing" what a quote within "context" can do to clear up the lies and falsehoods spread by some of the "brethren" who are seemingly standing strong for the unsearchable scriptures, i.e. the "Textus Receptus" or maybe the "Traditional Text", or could it possibly be - the "Majority Text"! Let's see - which one will it be today? Eeny-Meeny-Miny-Mo? ![]() |
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http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/textof.htm Here is just the first part of the article. Quote:
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Aloha Beth,
My comments were not directed at brother David Cloud. They were meant for the TR (Textus Receptus), TT (Traditional Text) , or MT (Majority Text) "crowd" or "camps", whoever they may be. Some of the supposed "supporters" of the King James Bible are really followers of their "favorite" Greek Text. All three of the above texts are very close to the King James Bible and yet they all differ from one another (and the King James Bible) in various areas - though not by much. Not even close to the differences noted in the Modern Greek texts (take your pick). ![]() |
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Thanks guy's for more context on those statements!
I just want you to know that I added the article from Cloud only to answer the question of where is the phrase "advanced revelation" coming from. I thought it would be a good starting point. Carry on. |
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Everyone has written some great stuff.
I must say, and I say this in a most careful way, I do not think that the context here (of Ruckman’s advanced revelation) is as clear as we might want. Even if we assume that Ruckman is joking, that still leaves some questions. 1.) is this idea limited to this one place or are their other places which Ruckman deals with this idea, so perhaps those other places can shed some future light on this subject (either they will shown that Ruckman is being funny or he is not)?; 2.) Why have intelligent men interpreted Ruckman this way, including those of the King James Bible Only camp?; 3.) Should Ruckman or anyone for that matter use phrases like this, even if to make a joke? __________________________________ - “One accurate measurement is worth more than a thousand expert opinions” - “...this is the Word of God; come, search, ye critics, and find a flaw; examine it, from its Genesis to its Revelation, and find an error... This is the book untainted by any error; but is pure, unalloyed, perfect truth. Why? Because God wrote it. Ah! charge God with error if you please; tell him that his book is not what it ought to be. I have heard men, with prudish and mock-modesty, who would like to alter the Bible; and (I almost blush to say it) I have heard ministers alter God's Bible, because they were afraid of it... Pity they were not born when God lived far—far back that they might have taught God how to write.” Charles Haddon Spurgeon (Spurgeon's Sermons Volume 1: Sermon II p. 31) - “If, therefore, any do complain that I have sometimes hit my opponents rather hard, I take leave to point out that 'to everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the sun' : 'a time to embrace, and a time to be far from embracing' : a time for speaking smoothly, and a time for speaking sharply. And that when the words of Inspiration are seriously imperilled, as now they are, it is scarcely possible for one who is determined effectually to preserve the Deposit in its integrity, to hit either too straight or too hard.” Dean John William Burgon (The Revision Revised. pp. vii-viii) |
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