[JOHN G]

Hello all. I need some guidance on a tract issue. I really like the million dollar bill and curved allusion tracts distibuted by Ray Comfort and Way of the Master / Living Waters. However, as of late (as I am hopefully growing in the Lord) ,the defining of repentance on the tract has bothered me. Here lately, I usually have been marking out the part in parenthesis after repent on the second card. I also have wrote "KJV" by the read your bible part. Here is the text of the curved allusion cards.

CARD ONE: Hold both cards curving toward the right. Which is bigger, the pink or the blue? Both are the same size. Our eyes are often fooled by optical illusions. Speaking of eyes -- imagine you were offered $1 million for one of your eyes for a transplant. It could be taken out painlessly, and you'd be given a new glass eye that will look as good as your other eye, but it just won't look as good. Would you sell an eye for $1 million? How about both for $20 million? No one in his right mind would. Your eyes are priceless, yet they are merely the windows of your soul. Jesus said that your eyes are worth nothing compared to the value of your soul: "If your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire" (Mark 9:47).

CARD TWO: He asked, "What will a man give in exchange for his soul?" (Matt. 16:26). There is nothing as important as your salvation. Judge yourself by the Ten Commandments: Have you lied (even once), stolen (the value is irrelevant), committed adultery (Jesus said, "Whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" -- Matt. 5:28), or killed (God considers hatred to be murder -- 1 John 3:15)? Have you loved God above all else? Be honest. You know you will be guilty on Judgment Day, and therefore end up in Hell. Today, repent (confess and turn from your sin) and trust in Jesus Christ. He died on the cross to take our punishment, and then He rose from the dead. He showed how much God loves us. Then read the Bible daily and obey what you read. God will never fail you.
source: www.livingwaters.com


I have quite a few of these tracts at home. Should I chunk them, edit them, or what? This is an honest question. I don't want this to be (or start) another Calvinism debate (BTW, thanks George for your recent, excellent and thorough posts on the subject). I look forward to your counsel and thanks ahead of time for your posts.

[stephanos]

Originally Posted by JOHN G

Hello all. I need some guidance on a tract issue. I really like the million dollar bill and curved allusion tracts distibuted by Ray Comfort and Way of the Master / Living Waters. However, as of late (as I am hopefully growing in the Lord) ,the defining of repentance on the tract has bothered me. Here lately, I usually have been marking out the part in parenthesis after repent on the second card. I also have wrote "KJV" by the read your bible part. Here is the text of the curved allusion cards.

CARD ONE: Hold both cards curving toward the right. Which is bigger, the pink or the blue? Both are the same size. Our eyes are often fooled by optical illusions. Speaking of eyes -- imagine you were offered $1 million for one of your eyes for a transplant. It could be taken out painlessly, and you'd be given a new glass eye that will look as good as your other eye, but it just won't look as good. Would you sell an eye for $1 million? How about both for $20 million? No one in his right mind would. Your eyes are priceless, yet they are merely the windows of your soul. Jesus said that your eyes are worth nothing compared to the value of your soul: "If your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire" (Mark 9:47).

CARD TWO: He asked, "What will a man give in exchange for his soul?" (Matt. 16:26). There is nothing as important as your salvation. Judge yourself by the Ten Commandments: Have you lied (even once), stolen (the value is irrelevant), committed adultery (Jesus said, "Whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" -- Matt. 5:28), or killed (God considers hatred to be murder -- 1 John 3:15)? Have you loved God above all else? Be honest. You know you will be guilty on Judgment Day, and therefore end up in Hell. Today, repent (confess and turn from your sin) and trust in Jesus Christ. He died on the cross to take our punishment, and then He rose from the dead. He showed how much God loves us. Then read the Bible daily and obey what you read. God will never fail you.
source: www.livingwaters.com


I have quite a few of these tracts at home. Should I chunk them, edit them, or what? This is an honest question. I don't want this to be (or start) another Calvinism debate (BTW, thanks George for your recent, excellent and thorough posts on the subject). I look forward to your counsel and thanks ahead of time for your posts.

They are preaching a false Gospel. The Scriptures tell us that:

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6:23 KJV)

For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. (Romans 11:29 KJV)

So what must a man do to be saved? Repent? Do good works (remember the works of the Law are mostly a bunch of "thou shalt not's")? Well, thanks be to the Lord Jesus Christ that this question was asked IN THE BIBLE!

And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. (Acts 16:30-31 KJV)

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (Romans 10:9 KJV)

These "another" gospel preachers are heretics. I'm sorry, I know most won't like my attitude about this, but this is where I draw my line.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV)

SALVATION IS OF THE LORD!

For Jesus' sake,
Stephen

[stephanos]

Ok, I forgot that I wanted to add that repentance isn't a bad thing to preach on, and of a truth it is necessary for salvation, but not in the way that people often think. People need to repent of anything they believed would get them into heaven. This I believe is part of salvation. We cannot trust in Christ alone for salvation and believe we need to make a pilgrimage to Mecca or take the uholy wafer Jesus or get sprinkled by a demonic white collared cleric of the queen of heaven. Those works are a smoothly paved road to hell. To be saved we must repent of our dead works (things we thought before were our righteousness, things we thought "might" get us into heaven) and trust in the Lord Jesus to save us from the just penalty of our sins. We must trust that JESUS became salvation to bear our sins on the cross. When we believe in the Gospel of Christ Jesus' death, burial and resurrection we ARE saved. It is that simple.

As for what to do with those cards; I simply don't know. If they contained info that would lead a curious soul to answers then I'd say use them. At least Chick tracts (which contain the "repent to be saved" message) have info on where to get more information (safe information that is). I wouldn't trust my dog with the WotM folks, let alone a precious soul who needs Jesus and a glass of warm milk.

For Jesus' sake,
Stephen

[Rolando]

Originally Posted by stephanos

Ok, I forgot that I wanted to add that repentance isn't a bad thing to preach on, and of a truth it is necessary for salvation, but not in the way that people often think. People need to repent of anything they believed would get them into heaven. This I believe is part of salvation. We cannot trust in Christ alone for salvation and believe we need to make a pilgrimage to Mecca or take the uholy wafer Jesus or get sprinkled by a demonic white collared cleric of the queen of heaven. Those works are a smoothly paved road to hell. To be saved we must repent of our dead works (things we thought before were our righteousness, things we thought "might" get us into heaven) and trust in the Lord Jesus to save us from the just penalty of our sins. We must trust that JESUS became salvation to bear our sins on the cross. When we believe in the Gospel of Christ Jesus' death, burial and resurrection we ARE saved. It is that simple.

As for what to do with those cards; I simply don't know. If they contained info that would lead a curious soul to answers then I'd say use them. At least Chick tracts (which contain the "repent to be saved" message) have info on where to get more information (safe information that is). I wouldn't trust my dog with the WotM folks, let alone a precious soul who needs Jesus and a glass of warm milk.

For Jesus' sake,
Stephen

Thanks the Lord someone is standing up for this. You see, I'll use this topic as a opportunity to mention that I myself been having an issue with a Gospel tract that I'm been handing out to people. It's from Fellowship Tract League and it's titled Eternal Life is a Free Gift. I like most of what's written in this tract except for a certain part:

How You Can Be Saved.

The Bible calls for “repentance toward God,” (Acts 20:21b) Repentance is a change of heart which causes you to turn toward God and away from your present way of life. Accept the Bible facts that you are guilty as a sinner before Him, and you are unable to deliver yourself from the punishment of hell, which is due you because your sin. (Fellowship Tract League, Tract 109, page 3).

"Repentance is a change of heart which causes you to turn toward God and away from your present way of life." What? Isn't this work salvation somehow? I mean, if getting saved required someone turning from their present way of life (which is of course sinful), in order for GOD to forgive them, then can we call Salvation a free gift? Please, give me a break! Anyway, if anyone believe I'm wrong in this feeling then please correct with the scriptures. Anyway, here's the link to the tract:
http://www.fellowshiptractleague.org...iew_page_1.htm

Please read the whole thing and tell what you think. It pains me the thought that I been giving out heresy to people who need to get saved.

[stephanos]

Originally Posted by Rolando

Thanks the Lord someone is standing up for this. You see, I'll use this topic as a opportunity to mention that I myself been having an issue with a Gospel tract that I'm been handing out to people. It's from Fellowship Tract League and it's titled Eternal Life is a Free Gift. I like most of what's written in this tract except for a certain part

I use FTL's tracts and Chick's tracts because I understand what repentance means. The way these self righteous Calvinists push repentance is erroneous and destructive to the cause of Christ. Never the less I've decided, after prayer and posting on forums such as this, that it's safe to use FTL and Chick's tracts since someone who reads one of these tracts isn't even likely to know what that word even means. All they know is that they need to change, and that they need to be saved. In these tracts is enough to get these folks saved, so I use them. Lord willing, I'll find employment soon and I'll have some tracts printed for me with the Gospel of God's grace.

Peace and Love,
Stephen

[Luke]

I am going to start writing up a piece that desperately needs to be written on the ecumenical nature of Ray Comfort, and the ecumenical drawcard that is Paul Washer. Paul Washer is a 5 point calvinist, but I have seen 100% arminians totally fall in love with him, over ONE issue - his definition of repentance. It matches that of Rome exactly. All roads lead to Rome (except the KJB).

EDIT: I chucked out a heap of livingwater tracts. My wife and I ordered some NZ ones (are you a good kiwi), but the text on the back was the worst I have seen so far. It was 100% works based - you must confess and turn away from all sin.