[Bill]

I copied the following from page 110 of a book A CENTURY OF SPELLS: MORE THAN 100 TIME-TESTED, EASY-TO-USE-SPELLS by Draja Mickaharic 1988.
"To be operative, the spoken spell must contain the full faith and belief of the person speaking it. It must also project into the person, place, or thing to which it is spoken. This is the reason for the voice exercises that are given to students of magic. Voice technique must be mastered before this kind of spell is operative. When one speaks the spell, He or She is actually affecting matter with the voice, and actually transforms it in accord with the will.
The manner in which this kind of spell is spoken is of primary importance. It must be spoken with absolute conviction, and in an emotional and energetic manner. This is not a manner of speech which is easily learned, but it can be learned and must be mastered by those who would learn these spells. The speakers voice must resonate conviction so strongly that the words pass out and surround the person and area they are spoken for with a real and living spiritual force."
This is considerably different than the Apostle Paul's communication of inspired scripture recorded in 1Corinthians 2:3,4 where he says he "was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling, and my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power."
The type of willpower driven rather than truth driven communication was what was apparently used by Charles Finney in his preaching in the early 1800's and is favored by many contemporary Christians. It seems to me that the manner of speech should be considered when evaluating the messages we get from supposed Christian authorities. Strong personality seems to be a characteristic of manipulative fakes.

the spoken spell must contain the full faith and belief of the person speaking it...

That is interesting brother Bill how they talk about "faith" being required.
Faith in what? Witchcraft is just creepy, for sure.

As far as the application to preachers of the Gospel, I'm not sure I am connecting the dots like you are---it seems like a bit of a stretch. If it wasn't for the strong personalities of men like Bro. Ruckman, I possibly would have never learned as much about the King James Bible. I guess what I am saying is, I think God can use all types of personalities for his purposes. Anyway thanks for posting...

[Winman]

Actually, there might be something very real about this.

Here is an article that will shock you.

http://www.pennypresslv.com/Obama's_...s_Speeches.pdf

This article is not a joke, the authors are completely serious. When I first saw it I laughed, but afterward as I watched Obama's speeches during his campaign, I did see that he indeed uses many of the techniques outlined here. And looking at his crowds, it is obvious they work on many people.

[Winman]

Check out this video on "conversational hypnosis", it is pretty amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZZLu...om=PL&index=15

[Debau]

Originally Posted by Winman

Check out this video on "conversational hypnosis", it is pretty amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZZLu...om=PL&index=15

All kidding aside, it depends on the will of the subject regardless of the level of technique. This guy was considered the best, but even he had his days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sNWc...eature=related

[Bill]

I think there is a difference between a spell that is cast and hypnosis because hypnosis depends on the willingness of the hypnotized and a spell is to be effective regardless of what any other human thinks. Magic, including casting spells, is thought to be a spiritual technology similar to physics or biology except magic deals with spiritual laws to access forces and manipulate people and spirits. I recommend reading about how Charles Finney declared that conversion to Christianity could be achieved by the proper use of methods (technology) and was not a miracle from God because those ideas have been passed along to contemporary Christians and are possibly the basis for some of the strange doctrines and practices in use now.

LOL, well you could be right, Obama certainly has the liberal idiots in a trance that's for sure!

But any business leader, salesman or attorney (like Obama) will have learned the art of communication, public speaking is taught at colleges and Toastmasters sessions all across the country.

The truth is, Obama has used a teleprompter so many times, it's hard to tell if those words are his or those of a liberal speech writer.

Listening to Barry Hussein, I have often thought that he was heavily influenced by preachers, including the speaking style his racist-honoring pastor, Jeremiah Wright. He actually named his book "Audacity of Hope," after one of Wright's 1990 sermons. Good speaking can be used by good men or evil, for example Adolf Hitler used a very specific style of auditory tones in his dramatic presentations.

Here's a look at Barry without his teleprompter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU

[Winman]

Wow, that speech of Obama's without his telepromter reminds me of something from my past.......

Oh yeah, now I remember, THIS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7Ccl...eature=related

And Bugs Bunny was an expert at manipulating people against their will, look and see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btd6cpq03Gg

Hahaaaaa!!!! oh Winman you and your shenanigans...
I love those old cartoons!

[MARANATHA]

The bugs bunny video is a great reminder that we should be careful as to who we follow!