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Old 10-12-2008, 10:45 PM
LindaR LindaR is offline
 
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Oh, and by the way BC and LindaR are married.”– although they were successful in keeping that fact from us for a while. BC”s Personal Testimony – from his only Thread:
{My perceptive wife picked up on that one long before I did!}
Is telling marital status a requirement for posting on this forum? If anybody would have read BC's testimony they would have known. We were keeping NO secrets...if you don't ask, you don't get answers. It's that simple!
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There is one thing that I notice about some of these Christians that come on this Forum and instantly engage in fierce debates, and shortly thereafter start slinging accusations around - nearly all of them have a deep seated animosity towards brother Peter Ruckman.
We didn't come on this forum to start heated debates about Peter Ruckman. As a matter of fact, I was registered here in February, 2008 and only posted 10 posts, none of which were about Peter Ruckman. I took a break from forums for a few months and only 2 weeks ago started posting back in here. Almost immediately I was attacked by the "Ruckman" brigade. Your reply to my email, George, was anything but gracious. Neither my husband or I came on here with an agenda. You seem to be the one with all the accusations and judgmental comments. It's like a swimming in a pool of great white sharks in here.
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Notice the difference between two men who came on this Forum within a few days of each other:

Born Crucified: {Joined 10/02/08 > Threads = 1 (BC's "Intro") > Posts = 50 @ 4.92 Posts per day - {Remember what I've said about new-comers and numerous Posts? }
Biography: He gave it in his "introduction".
Location: N/A
Interests: N/A
Occupation
: N/A


Vendetta Ride: {Joined 9/29/08 > Threads = 3 > Posts = 35 @ 2.71 Posts per day}
Biography: Received Christ August 1969; became Bible believer (AV1611) in 1983; graduated PBI 1989 (PBI = Pensacola Bible Institute)
Location: North Carolina
Interests: Bible study, gardening, writing, boxing, history
Occupation
: Luke 19:13

Please take notice in the huge "difference" between the "attitude" and "conduct" of these two men:

"Vendetta Ride" has been a perfect "gentleman". He has been respectful; considerate; and gracious {not at all like me }. And, as of yet, he has tried to avoid any "controversy". (Strange behavior for someone who graduated from PBI - wouldn't you say? Why according to all of the Ruckman haters, all of us "Ruckmanites" are "foaming at the mouth" heretics and church dividers.

On the other hand - "Born Crucified". Has been both obnoxious and extremely irritating with his continual “rant” against brother Peter Ruckman, and some of the brethren on this Forum. {We have to ask ourselves: is this how Christian “brethren” are to conduct themselves? - Accusing the brethren? [Revelation 12:10] - I trow not!}
God is no respecter of persons....why are you?
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In his personal "Profile" (on the Forum) and in his only “Thread”, BC introduces himself as the “Rev. Ronald W. Robey” and gives us a short "biography" of his life.

For me the word "Reverend" already raises a {"Red flag" #1}. I despise "titles" amongst Christians; they are the "bane" of American Christianity (if you don't have a "Dr." before your name you can't possibly know what you are talking about! ).

I refuse to let anyone call me "pastor" (or "Reverend", etc.). Those of us who are called to be elders/pastors are no different than any other Christian men. Our "calling" may be different - but we aren't! There is no "Clergy/Laity" setup in the Bible when it comes to Christian churches, for we are "all brethren". [Matthew 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.]

Job 32:21 Let me not, I pray you, accept any man's person, neither let me give flattering titles unto man.
22 For I know not to give flattering titles; in so doing my maker would soon take me away.


Call me "brother", but please do not call me "Pastor" Anderson or "Reverend" Anderson, I am a man, like any other man - with the same faults and weaknesses as any other man. I am no better than any other Christian. As a matter of fact, when I look back over my 50 years of being a saved, born again child of God, I have to confess that I really am not much at all!
Does Peter Ruckman not go by the name of Dr. Peter S. Ruckman? Many call him "the Doc"? Pastors do have a higher "calling" and God has given them standards to live by....read Paul's letters to Timothy and Titus. Calling someone Rev. doesn't mean we worship the person, or hold him up on a pedestal.

BTW, how come in almost every post I've read, you brag (yes, I said brag) that you have been saved 50 years?
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Back to "BC". Read BC's testimony. I believe that there are some things therein that raise more "red flags" (for me at least) and may explain why he is the way he is.
My husband posted his testimony to "share" with others...but all you are doing is picking it apart piece by piece. Do you find pleasure in critiquing someone's life? Who's being judgmental here? hmmmmmm
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BC said: When I got saved - I didn't "give my heart to Jesus". I READ and HEARD the Gospel of Christ; and then I BELIEVED on the Lord Jesus Christ; and then I RECEIVED the Lord Jesus Christ as my personal Saviour. I DID NOT "GIVE MY HEART TO JESUS"! I didn’t “GIVE” the Lord Jesus Christ ANYTHING, when I got saved. However, HE GAVE ME “ETERNAL LIFE” when I received Him as my Saviour.

We can’t “GIVE” God anything! And I “cringe” every time I hear (or read) someone say that they “GAVE their heart to Jesus” – that’s NOT THE GOSPEL! {What would the Lord Jesus Christ want with my dirty, foul, and perverse heart? Hmmm?} {Red Flag #2}
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. (Romans 10:9-10)

God wants 100% commitment...that includes our heart.

If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me: (Psalms 66:18)

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. (Romans 12:1)
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BC said: (From BC”s “religious background” it is obvious that he picked up a lot of “baggage” along the way (some of which he has yet to “jettison”) {“Red flag” #3}
How about telling us YOUR religious background, George? Got any baggage you picked up along the way? All we know is that you've been saved 50 years. By the tenure of your posts, I believe you still have some baggage of your own.

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BC said:

"In October of 1977 my son was born in JacksonvilleFlorida. Three days later, his mother was killed in a car accident when she was broadsided by a drunk driver. One the measly pay of $75 a week I could not take care of my child. And so, I gave him over to his grandparents and aunts that were with the circus. They left the circus that week for Judy's funeral, and I never saw them again. I've heard stories from other circus members who say that my son Juan is walking the high wire like his aunts and mother did.”

God has blessed my wife and I with 7 children (4 boys & 3 girls), and over the years there have been times that we have had a real struggle providing for, and training such a large family. But, God be praised, we always managed {always with His help}. I cannot (under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES) imagine GIVING UP anyone of our children (“gifts” from God) – just because of “hard times” and “financial difficulties” – can you? {Red Flag #4}
You have absolutely no right to judge BC for giving up that child when the mother of that child was killed. He was unsaved and just 17 years old earning $75 a week. Your situation does not even compare to his...BC did the very best thing for that child by giving him to his grandparents. He was not in a position to raise a child by himself. So quit the finger pointing here. You are dead wrong.
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BC said: Call me a “gnat strainer” but, there is no such thing as a: “born-again Jewish chaplain”. If he is born-again, then he no longer is a “Jewish” Chaplain; he is a born again Christian Chaplain - who once was a Jew! Why the emphasis on “Jewish”? I have been born again since October of 1958 – I have never referred to myself as a born-again Scots-Irish-English-Swedish-French Canadian-American Indian Christian or elder! {Imagine my children having to identify themselves as born again Scots-Irish-English-Swedish-French Canadian-American Indian - Filipino - Chinese, and Spanish Christians!}
Well, you are definitely being a "gnat-strainer"...I am a born again Jew and there IS such a person as a "born again Jewish chaplain" I have met many. A Jew is a Jew by ethnicity...not religion. Many Jews are only Jews by birth/ethnicity...most of the unsaved Jews living in Israel proclaim themselves to be atheists. Plus, most American Jews in the United States are non-practicing Jews (they only practice their "religion" of Judaism twice a year). Ethnicity doesn't change. I am a member of the Body of Christ...spiritually, I am a Christian...but by birth I am a Jew and will remain so until I die.
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[Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
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This means that there is no differences in the Body of Christ. We are "one new man" in Christ Jesus both Jews and Gentiles who are born again.

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Now that doesn’t deserve a “Red Flag”, but the “Pentecostal Evangelist” does {Red Flag #5}, and why is that? Because of BC’s own confession that when he got “saved”: “I gave my heart to Jesus Christ{Red Flag #2}. Now don’t get me wrong – I am not saying BC is not saved (only God knows his heart), but what I am saying is that “giving your heart to Jesus” is NOT the Gospel!
I disagree.
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BC said: The question arises: What kind of “pastor” is “My Pastor” Hmmm? What kind of “minister’s meetings”? You see if BC were a bit freer with this personal information we might have been able to tell “where he was coming from” sooner. {Red Flag #5} After all: “Birds of a feather flock together”!
George, share with us where you go to church. hmmmmmm BC posted that testimony 2 weeks ago. If you had bothered to look instead of attacking us because we are not of the "Ruckman" crowd, you would have known sooner. The information was there, but you failed to look...that's not BC's fault.
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BC said: “I am not going to get into BC’s health problems here at all. We have several people on this Forum who are afflicted with some serious health problems and I pray for them often - that if God won’t heal them, then that they will have the grace to say: “His grace is sufficient for me”. We lost our oldest son (at 42 years of age) over four years ago to “health problems”, so I have some idea what it’s like.

However, my problem with BC is that no where’s does he say what kind of a “church” he pastored or what kind of a “church” he started. {Red Flag #6} Why not say so? Why keep it hidden?
The name of the church was in his testimony for all to see.

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The way that this stranger (BC) has come into our presence with his “personal agenda” and “attitude” is typical of modern day American Christians that are: “. . . proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself." [1 Timothy 6:4-5]
We did not come on this forum with an agenda...the agenda was already existing. As far as I'm concerned, it is the "Ruckman" crowd who is doing most of the un-Christlike attacking. I've never been on a forum board with this many "great white sharks" before. You guys go for the jugular, don't you?

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I for one am going to obey the Scriptures and avoid BC. He is divisive, argumentive, accusatory, and there is absolutely no profit in trying to reason with him.

Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
You've done everything BUT avoid BC and myself.