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Originally Posted by stephanos

Brandon, this statement is doesn't help anyone. Instead of telling us that, in essence, we're wrong and need to think like you, you should show us how 2 Peter 2:1 isn't for us. Is this so difficult? At least this gives us a chance to state why we believe as we do.

Much Love in Christ Jesus,
Stephen

maybe I can help shed a liitle light here. ok let me first and please just follow along even if at this moment you are not wanting to rightly divide. and I will divide only the New Testament. and it wont be exhaustive but should give you a basic understanding of how to see applications from one Age or division to another.

1) Q: Ok when you look at the Gospels who is physically teaching?
A: John the Baptist, Jesus, the Apostles, the 70 disciples.

2) Q: what Gospel are they preaching?
A: the Gospel of the kingdom, repent and be baptized for the remission of sins. the same in Acts 2.
Here the gospel is accompanied by works. if they have faith in the mesage they were to be baptized for the remission of sins this would place them as subject ready to enter the earthly Kingdom which is being preached and at hand.

3) Q: Ok in the Books from Romans to Philemon who is teaching?
A: Paul, Apostle to the Gentiles.

4) Q: What Gospel is he Preaching?
A: For by grace are you saved through Faith and this not of yourselves it is a gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast. here the Gospel of Salvation into a spiritual kingdom and it is purely by faith no works of baptism or keeping the law is needed as in the Old Testament.

5) Q: in the books Hebrews to Revelation who is teaching?
A: The Apostles, 144,000 male virgin Jews, 2 witnesses.

6) what Gospel is being preached? the kngdom Gospel is again being preached. here they are required to endure to the end (as in Matthew 24, 25 in speaking of the Tribulation period), they must not take the mark. and they are saved to enter the Kingdom. Revelation 21tells us that those martyred for the word and Jesus were resurrected and brought into the Kingdom. their bodies are restored to former state not glorified bodies.

7) Q: Revelation 14 who is teaching?
A: An Angel standing in the sun.

8) Q: What Gospel in proclaimed
A: the Everlasting Gospel

Now we can see clearly from the answers to these questions and a simple reading of the NT that there are six basic division to the NT. the Preparation for the Kingdom Age Matt-Acts 8 (roughly), the Church Age Acts 12-Philemon, the Tribulation Hebrews-Revelation 20, the Millenial Earthy Kingdom Rev 21, and the Eternal Kingdom Rev 22.

fisrt let me say, 2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: so we see that Scriptures have a four part or divisional use. you will need to divide to know which scripture is for doctrine, or which for reproof, which is for correction and which is for instruction in righteousness.

now how do we determine a doctrine for today? look at the Divisions and you will need to compare. lets take one doctrine in order to get an idea of how this works.

The Gospel.

How do we determine which Gospel is for today?

first stepis to determine which division of time you are in. we are currently in the church age our primary teacher is Paul the apostle to the Gentiles of which we are Gentiles.

now compare Pauls Gospel with that of the pre-cross Gospel of John the baptist. Are they the same? No of course not. Pauls says by grace through faith alone. John says be baptized for th remission of sins. Peter later teaches this same Gospel in Acts 2.

So the General rule is if it doesn't agree with Pauls teaching it is not to be classified as a Doctrine for today.

now lets look a 2 Peter 2:1.

What Age is it in? The tribultaion period according to the divisions we could see above.

Who is teaching? Peter. so it is not the apostle to the Gentiles. But the Apostle to Israel or the Jews. His ministry was always to those of the circumcision Jews and Jewish proslytes.

the verse in question 2Peter 2:1, 2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
now this verse is in agreement with Paul teaching on the subject of false teachers. especially in 2Timothy Chapter 2:14 through 3:9 and others. but the point is there willbe false teachers who bring in daminable teachings that other will follow and speak evil of truth.

ok here we have agreement. it is a teaching but not necessarily a doctrine. this would fall under reproof, correction or an instruction.

However this is not the issue of this post the issue of this post is the Loss of Salvation this would apply tothe post who first taught eternal salvation. of which Gophgetter said was a damniable heresy being taught today. I would say he is speaking evil of the ways of truth (see 2Peter2:2 last part of the verse).

can we look to Salvation.

What did Jesus Teach?
John 3:36 "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. We see here everlasting means never ending
John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. see Eph 1:13 for the sealing.
John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Jesus clearly taught that beleif on him would result in everlasting life or eternal salvation.

What di Paul teach?
Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. One of Paul's first messages taught everlasting life inthe belief on Christ.
Romans 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. here Paul is teaching that you are free from the Eternal penelty of sin and are now servants of God with fruit unto holiness and in the end eternal life for thiose who were made free by believing on Christ.
Romans 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord. Paul teaches eternal life through Jesus Christ
Ephesians 2:6-9 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Our New life is to be shown through the Ages to come that is right through the tribulation into Eternity. and God who cnnot lie says he will do this and he will not change his mind on this issue. we are eternally set. Paul clearly taught etrenal life or salvation in Christ Jesus.

and even though the Author is unclear even though some say it is Paul, God taught in Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; Jesus was made perfect in his obedience unto death and was risen from the dead that all those who believe shall have eternal salvation or eternal life in him in heaven. because God has so ordained he should be the Author of Eternal Salvation.

We here have thre divisions agreeing on this issue of Eternal Salvation. so Eternal Life or Salvation is a doctrine for today. Eternal Salvation is just that eternal once an eternal decree is set it cannot be changed. even if you sin it wont change a thing because it is an Eternal God who has set you into eternal life and salvation.

simple division can help you see truths clearly

Stephen, according to your statement I quoted. You are not a KJV beleiver because you don't beleive what it clearly teaches as shown above. you are revealing yourself more and more to be in error on many issues. But we also know the reason now don't we? It is because you took ofense to someone statements about Rightly Dividing scriptures when they corrected you because of a false beleif. and you carry that bitterness with you until this day and everytime someone reproofs or corrects you by right division you become antagonistic towards them. but learing to obey Gods word of 2Tim2:15 will be the turning point of your spirituality and will give you greater understanding of th word of God and help you to grow more in grace and be solid in clearly taught doctrine and apllications.

Learn Eph 4:17-32 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind, Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. But ye have not so learned Christ; If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: hat ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: Neither give place to the devil. Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: and be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you

Romans 12:1, 2 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. you are conformed to wordly standards of music as states in your musical instrument posts, you are not allowing your mind to be renewed by God for his will by obeying his clear word on rightly dividing. and here you state you don't beleive what the KJV Bible clearly states on Eternal Salvation.

You are still conforrmed to this wolr din listening to other men and women rather that obeying God. Forget what sister Tracy taught. you get to the word and study as God prescribes you to in 2Timothy2:15 and you will know more than she ever did. and simply beleive Gods clear word on any issue dispite what false teachers or posters are saying.