I agree new converts can cope with the King James as we do, MDOC, but I don't think they'll accept it under today's circumstances (and I'm thinking of TRUE converts, TRUE believers. If we all had spiritual perfection we wouldn't have any disagreements about anything).

I understand what you are saying about women's position, too, but I do take it very seriously as a matter of God's creation order and not just a matter of education. I've learned as much as I have learned over the years about the things of God mostly in self-defense because so many churches are misleading us in these last days. I had to get out of a liberal church, then a charismatic church, and then a church that teaches sound Biblical doctrine but with a worldly and intellectual tone rather than being Spirit-led (I have enough discernment to get free of that, but according to George I'm a humanist nonetheless).

Yes, I got what you quoted about it's not being the words but the spirit and life of the words.

I do believe that God put men over women but I don't believe that I'm to answer to all men, only proper authorities. I accept Paul as God-inspired so what he says doesn't just apply to his own culture but to all of us. I accept that I'm answerable to proper church authorities, but George hasn't been defined as an elder in the Church of AV1611 Forums. (And don't get me wrong, I think George and his wife Renee are admirable people and admirable Christians. I even like them as people -- in spite of his dogging my case). I accept that I'm not to teach men, no matter how much I know, but I don't see that a forum like this puts me in the position of teacher since anyone can accept or reject what I say. I'm also working on starting a blog of my own, which I'm hoping doesn't put me in that role either, and I don't see why it should. So as you can see, I do have questions about all this. I'm not sure how it's to be worked out in today's world.