WOW!! Hey man you have the same name as me, good name huh? Its about time someone who knows how to rightly divide the AV 1611 and let it roar!! Please keep the post coming. One thing about Abraham, is that although he was under grace, before the law, he was not justified until years later( Gen 22),after he got his imputed righteousness in Gen 15:6 - look up James 2:21,24. We got our justification the instant we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ ( John 1:12, Rom 4:5) Abraham, and any other Old Testament saint/patriarch, was not born again. Psalm 22:30-31 told Nicodemus that it could not take place until AFTER John 3:14. Abraham didn't go to the 3rd Heaven, nor did any of the other OT saints. They were in Paradise, or Abrahams bosom, that is where Abel, Joseph, Daniel, Jacob etc. went when they died. That is where Christ went after the crucifixion ( Eph 4:8-10 Matt 27:52, 12:40), and led them out of there. Now because of 1 Cor 15:1-4, every born again child of God goes straight to the 3rd Heaven( Phil 1:23, 2 Tim 4:8).