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Old 05-26-2009, 02:14 PM
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"George, in reference to Paul's "my gospel", what did the rest of the apostles and other missionaries preach wherever they traveled? Did Peter and John keep silent other than the letters they wrote?"

Aloha brother Tim,

First off, let’s settle the matter of the Apostle Paul’s “relationship” with those brethren (Apostles, Prophets, elders, and the whole church) in Jerusalem:

The Apostle Paul & Barnabas accepted by the brethren in Jerusalem [Acts 15:1-35]
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Acts 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to
Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
3 And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and
Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
4 And when they were come to
Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.

Acts 15:22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
30 So when they were dismissed, they came to
Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle:
31 Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation.
The Apostle Paul (& his friends) accepted by the brethren in Jerusalem.[Acts 21:17-26]
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Acts 21:17 And when we were come to Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly.
The Apostle Peter’s assessment of Paul’s Epistles [2 Peter 3:11-18]
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2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
To answer your questions:
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in reference to Paul's "my gospel", what did the rest of the apostles and other missionaries preach wherever they traveled?
Paul and his companions (including Apollos) preached Paul’s “Gospel” throughout the Mediterranean area.

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Did Peter and John keep silent other than the letters they wrote?
Of course not! According to the Scriptural record - they didn’t travel around that much, and so they didn’t have much opportunity to preach & teach outside of the Jews immediate sphere of influence (Jerusalem, Judea, Galilee, the rest of the land of Israel, Samaria and Caesarea.)

The DIFFERENCE Between the “Apostleship” of Peter and Paul[Galatians 2: 1-21]
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Galatians 2:1 Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also.
2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them
that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.
3 But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:
4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:


7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles

9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
According to the testimony of Scripture:

1. The “gospel” (good news) of the uncircumcision was committed to the Apostle Paul.

2. The “gospel” (good news) of the circumcision was committed to the Apostle Peter.

3. God “wrought” effectually in the Apostle Peter to the “apostleship” of the circumcision.

4. God “wrought” effectually in the Apostle Paul to the “apostleship” of the Gentiles.

5. Paul was approved to “go unto the heathen”.

6. Peter was approved to go “unto the circumcision”.

What is clear is that these two men (Peter & Paul) had DIFFERENT “apostleship’s” - i.e. DIFFERENT “Ministries”. At this point in time I do not think that they had two totally separate “gospels”, but I do believe that Peter and James (along with most, if not all, of the Jews that received Christ in Jerusalem), still followed at least some of the Law, and still attended the Temple [Acts 5:42]). In other words they had a peculiarly Jewish “form” of “Christianity”, which practically disappeared with the destruction of the Temple and the scattering of the Jews in 70 A.D. {This peculiarly Jewish “form” of Christianity is now being resurrected by modern day “JUDAIZERS” (Jews & Gentiles alike) who think that they can “please God in the flesh” by observing some (of course NOT ALL) of the Jewish “customs” and Laws that were in effect at the time of Christ}

Have you ever asked yourself - in the face of the Lord Jesus Christ’s clear Commandment?
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Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
WHY is it that most of those Disciples present at “the great commission” stuck around Jerusalem, and Judea, and Israel proper, and didn’t go out and DO what the Lord Jesus Christ commanded them to DO? The indisputable fact is (according to the Scriptural record), most of the Lord Jesus Christ’s Disciples either ignored His clear commandment (and were disobedient to Christ’s will for them -and were out of the will of God) – or they were obeying God (and were in His will) by sticking around Jerusalem, etc.
WHICH is it, and WHY?