[tonybones2112]

Originally Posted by chette777

"would like to finish and get SCRIPTURE as to why the water baptism of Leviticus 8 is not related to John's baptism of repentance,"

Le 8:6 And Moses brought Aaron and his sons, and washed them with water.

This seems to be the verse that Tbones is referencing to. the whole context of Lev 8 is Moses preparing Arron and his sons for their priestly duties.

I am not sure how Moses washed them, did he fully immerse them or did he sprinkle them? did he give them a sponge bath? I guess we would have to trust it was a bath to make them physically clean.

the sacrifice later would be that which would make them spiritually clean for the moment of their duties.

here is John's Baptism.

Mt 3:1-6 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey. Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan, And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.

Mt 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance:

Mr 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

from this verse it seems those getting baptized. And but it seems it went along with confessing their sins and repentance is mentioned. It would seem baptism of John was something the people (not Levite priests) were doing as a token of their repentance from their confessed sin.

The bath Moses gave them was not for remission of sins but physical cleansing. the sacrifice was for the remission and forgiveness of sin.

John also Preached that baptism was for repentance for the remission of sins. So if a person got baptized it was so they could receive the remission of their sins. I really don't see any similarity to the bath Moses Gave Arron and his sons in Lev 8.

the law required Jews to bring a sacrifice. but the person that the animal was sacrificed for was not told to take a bath. the bath that Moses gave was for the Levite priests only not for the whole congregation.

John was giving them remission with no sacrifice which is different from the Law which required the sacrifice of an animal.

There are many differences between the bath of Lev 8 and John's baptism. but there are no similarities.

Ex 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

You're missing the similitudes entirely and the whole concept of like figures and types, Chette, you're looking at everything I am saying and you are saying through Baptist glasses, and not the clear view of the Scriptures, the like figures of the entire book of Hebrews and what Peter meant in I Peter 3:19-21. Through Baptist glasses you cannot see the reason and the why of Aaron and his sons being first washed clean with water and what the water typified, and then Aaron and his sons being sanctified by the second step, the oil, a type of the Holy Spirit. Why did Peter say the like figure whereunto even baptism does now save us, not the putting away of the filth of the flesh(in either Levitical consecration or "believers baptism"). The reason I fellowship with IFBs are they are the only ones, besides some of my Grace brethren, who stands on the Scriptures as I do, who have the knowledge you people have, who will put up the same fight I will for the truth of the gospel of Christ and then when the types and figures and "ensamples" cross the denominational/traditional misapplication of an OT Law that you have inserted into the pericardial sac right next to your heart, everyone goes blind, and gets their feelings hurt when you try and discuss it. "Well, that is NOT what you say..." "Why?" "Well...just becasue it's NOT..."

We can sit here and run the sinless nature and innocence of Jesus Christ back into GENESIS THREE, where innocent animals were killed(crucified without purpose or REASON) to cover the nakedness of Adam and Eve(a type of their sins before God), the bloody skins hiding their nakedness before God as the BLOOD OF CHRIST, which was typified in the OT "washings" by water, just as the Blood of Christ covers your and my sins we jump up in an almost Jimmy Swaggartian fury and shout, amen! The similitudes and like figures! "Nothing But The Blood Of Jeeeeeeeesus..." But when those figures and types touch upon a denominational tradition we go out to the dump, pull the great curtain that the Finger of God rent in twain between the Holy Place in the temple and our sould, and stitch it back together and let it fall, thundering like an iron curtain, not between two Germanys, but between Malachi and Matthew.

Do you deny Aaron and his sons the right to have John's baptism of repentance, not the putting away of the filth of the flesh but their answer of a good conscience before God so that they could be washed free of their sins in God's eyes before they were clean enough to have the oil of sanctification(a type of the Holy Ghost)poured out on them? Because right there it is according to Isaiah 28. I had a Church of Christ "elder" in the church I went to as a child, who was my Sunday school teacher, tell me after a "debate" with another elder, "I'm sorry I ever showed you Isaiah 28..." and he was not smiling when he said it. Right there in Leviticus 8 is John's baptism of repentance as a type of the washing of the blood of Christ for sins. The KJV sits on a table and is the word of God whether Doug Kutilek says it is or not. John's baptism of repentance is found in Leviticus 8 no matter how hard we want to deny, it's there anyway no matter what we say, and if we throw out one similitude then they all have to be thrown out and we are left sitting like Campbellites with no connection between the OT and Christ's earthly ministry to Israel.

Re 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

How many baptisms Chette? There is a circumcision made without hands, in Titus 3:5 I have found a baptism not made with hands. That baptism is also found in:

Ro 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

We aren't going to be like Eve in Genesis 3 and insert "water" into every place the word "baptism" occurs, are we? There is another baptism found in I Corinthians 10:

1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

So here I am with the circumcision made not with hands and also a baptism made not with hands, the washing of regeneration, but I have to undergo another baptism??? I thought there was only one, according to Paul in Eph. 4 above? There isn't?!?! There's "following the Lord in Believer's Baptism as a public testimony..."

Yeah right. One baptism plus one baptism equals two baptisms and we are going to have to try and figure this mystery out:

One Lord, plus another Lord, who is he?
One faith, plus another faith, what is it ?
One baptism, plus "following the Lord in Believer's Baptism as a public testimony..."
One God plus another God, who is he?
One Father, plus another one, who is he?

Ex 19:14 And Moses went down from the mount unto the people, and sanctified the people; and they washed their clothes.

Nu 8:21 And the Levites were purified, and they washed their clothes; and Aaron offered them as an offering before the LORD; and Aaron made an atonement for them to cleanse them.

Re 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Brother Chette, do you think there is a possibility that there just might be a connection between John the Baptist, who was a LEVITE, his baptism of repentance to ISRAEL to consecrate them as a kingdom of priests, and the OT Law of first consecration of a LEVITE, or have you stitched the curtain up and placed it between Malachi and Matthew also?

1. Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
2. Isa 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
3. Ho 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.
4. 1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Heb. 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.

Why are Bible types, figures and similitudes, applicable in some precepts and not all of them? Well, if Bible types and like figures only apply in some areas but not all of them, someone loan me a penknife, I got 4 verses to cut out.

Grace and peace to you my friend and brother.

Tony