[Steven Avery]

Hi Folks,

Originally Posted by Vendetta Ride;

A question, Brother Steven: who cares? What difference does it make?

It only cares if you are discussing the issue intelligently and trying to convince informed people that the 'LXX' is not relevant and you beleive that properly representing the facts is important to that endeavor and that Bible apologetics.

Originally Posted by Vendetta Ride

If someone is simply asking what the LXX is, because they simply don't know, the Gipp approach is best, because it's most accessible.

Until they do a little fact-checking, and you have egg on your face.

Originally Posted by Vendetta Ride

But what conceivable value does the existence or non-existence of the LXX offer to a Bible believing Christian who's simply trying to understand God's word?

If he is a Bible-believing Christian who is concerned about the truth and accuracy and full context of the information he receives and transmits, the value of good information versus a porridge of propagandistic (mis)information is fairly obvious.

Originally Posted by Vendetta Ride

I understand, of course, that the "scholars" love to drone on and on about it; but that's their profession. That's how they put food on the table, and pay the mortgage.

There is some truth to that. Especially I have found that an 'LXX scholar' is very slow to accept any line of reasoning that devalues the LXX and thus their butter and bread livelihood.

Originally Posted by Vendetta Ride

But, unless one is a professional Greek scholar, why should he or she care one way or the other?

People ask the questions for many reasons. In my case I mainly wanted to more fully understand the corruptness of the 'LXX' and also its smoothing of text to the NT (a critical issue in understanding the falsity of the 'apostles used the LXX' argument) such as the gross textual abomination of Psalm 14. In so doing, I wanted to have accurate information given to me and given out by me to others.

Originally Posted by Vendetta Ride

I can talk, and sometimes have talked, about Vaticanus and Sinaiaticus and P38 and all the rest, far into the night.

Note that above I was responding to a 16 MS presentation, supposedly from Ruckman or Gipp, that was really virtually irrelevant. In a sense I try to simplify the issue as well as showing the factual backdrop.

Originally Posted by Vendetta Ride

But, so far, in 39 years of the Christian life, the only value such chattering has had is in the area of explaining the provenance of the KJB to unbelievers and Christians who don't use it.

Which is part of the general context here, however I have also talked about it with KJB believers who want to understand more excellently. And also non-Christians like skeptics who use the LXX issue as part of their negative apologetics. They will especially pick apart misinformation, as will the Christian-oriented scholarship groups, whatever their level of belief.

Originally Posted by Vendetta Ride

It strikes me as vanity and vexation of spirit. For me, at least. Of course, I am a simple and uneducated soul, and not privy to the enthusiasms of the scholarly class.

You are welcome to simply link to the Samuel Gipp material when the issue comes up, as here. Just be prepared to have your presentation picked apart by folks whose tude will be hostile and will use the questions about the presentation to their advantage against the King James Bible.

Shalom,
Steven Avery