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Traditional Anglican 11-01-2008 06:44 PM

If it happens...........
 
If Obama should win how many of you think Christians in America will remember to Pray for Obama? I truly wonder? You know people, I am Republican, have been since I was able to vote, there is a thing that has rather concerned me, the fact that most Evangelical Christians view the GOP as THE CHRISTIAN PARTY, I say it concerns me in that based on comments I have heard from friends and people in this "neck of the woods" is that it (the GOP) has become dangerously close to being an idol of sorts for some. Again I write this as a Christian who is a Republican, Holy-Writ tells us God sets up and deposes Kings, the province of rulers and authorities is His. This leads to an interesting question, should the Almighty, strip the Christian people of a Republican Leader, would the Christian community in the US follow the mandate of Holy Scripture, and Pray for those in Authority? Even Obama. Thoughts?

Brother Tim 11-01-2008 06:48 PM

I prayed often when Bill Clinton was in office. I prayed that God would limit the damage to our nation that he was causing for the sake of His people. I prayed that God would hinder the policies that he supported, that God would confuse the false counselors, and that God would give courage to those in power who were Godly.

Traditional Anglican 11-01-2008 06:48 PM

I left out an option, one which I "vote" for:I HOPE Christians would remember and follow the mandate of Holy Scripture.

stephanos 11-01-2008 06:50 PM

I think all Christians that actually believe God in His Word will be faithful in praying for the nation and its leader. I will be.

Peace and Love,
Stephen

Traditional Anglican 11-01-2008 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother Tim (Post 10837)
I prayed often when Bill Clinton was in office. I prayed that God would limit the damage to our nation that he was causing for the sake of His people. I prayed that God would hinder the policies that he supported, that God would confuse the false counselors, and that God would give courage to those in power who were Godly.

Good man! I think Clinton could have done MUCH harm without Prayers....

Traditional Anglican 11-01-2008 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by stephanos (Post 10839)
I think all Christians that actually believe God in His Word will be faithful in praying for the nation and its leader. I will be.

Peace and Love,
Stephen

As do I my Brother. Blessings.

Here Am I 11-01-2008 10:05 PM

I don't think most Christians will pray for him, mainly because there is so much apostasy here in America.

I heard that during the Clinton administration, there was an increase in prayer...for the Lord to return!
:D

Jeremy 11-02-2008 08:14 AM

Pray for damage control and Gods guidance in the direction this nation goes.

Traditional Anglican 11-02-2008 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Here Am I (Post 10849)
I don't think most Christians will pray for him, mainly because there is so much apostasy here in America.

I heard that during the Clinton administration, there was an increase in prayer...for the Lord to return!
:D

To a degree you are correct about apostasy in America, so to clarify I speak only of the true Christian. Tank you for pointing that out I was vague by using Church in a few places. Blessings.

Bro. Parrish 11-02-2008 03:31 PM

Yes, I will certainly pray for him.
I will pray that Obama trips on a KJV Bible, picks it up, reads it, understands it, gets saved, then stops supporting gun bans and partial birth abortion, and forsakes his roots with communists like his father Obama Sr. and Frank Marshall Davis, and forgets his political beginnings with bomb throwing terrorists like Bill Ayers and America-haters like Jeremiah Wright, and actually does something good for America. :rolleyes:

"But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible." Matt. 19:26

stephanos 11-02-2008 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bro. Parrish (Post 10875)
Yes, I will certainly pray for him.
I will pray that Obama trips on a KJV Bible, picks it up, reads it, understands it, gets saved, then stops supporting gun bans and partial birth abortion, and forsakes his roots with communists like his father Obama Sr. and Frank Marshall Davis, and forgets his political beginnings with bomb throwing terrorists like Bill Ayers and America-haters like Jeremiah Wright, and actually does something good for America. :rolleyes:

"But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible." Matt. 19:26

AMEN. I hope it happens exactly like that! :D

Peace and Love,
Stephen

Vendetta Ride 11-02-2008 09:22 PM

I am also a lifelong Republican. One of my earliest memories was sitting in a booth at the Los Angeles County Fair in 1956, when my mother was working for Ike's re-election. But no more. At the Presidential level, GOP candidates are always better than their Democratic opponents, but that's damning with faint praise!

I'm with Kinky Friedman, the eccentric Jewish cowboy who ran for Governor of Texas as an Independent. He refers to the two major parties as "the Crips and the Bloods."

As for praying for Obama:

I will, like others have said, pray for him to be saved, and pray for him to change his thinking on the issues. But I won't limit my prayers to that. I'll pray for him the way I prayed for Clinton and Bush (who I greatly dislike) and the Supreme Court justices and Congressional leaders: that God will grant him safety and good health, bless his family, prosper him in an honest way, and make him a good husband, father, and man. I'll pray for God to bless him - - - although I no longer say "God bless America." We're past that point, and the Bible doesn't instruct me to pray for that.

When we limit our prayers to "God, please straighten this chucklehead out," we're not really praying for him; we're criticizing him to God. I don't think that's the kind of prayers God wants. Such prayers are a little too close to Luke 18:11 for my tastes.

stephanos 11-03-2008 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendetta Ride (Post 10897)
I am also a lifelong Republican. One of my earliest memories was sitting in a booth at the Los Angeles County Fair in 1956, when my mother was working for Ike's re-election. But no more. At the Presidential level, GOP candidates are always better than their Democratic opponents, but that's damning with faint praise!

I'm with Kinky Friedman, the eccentric Jewish cowboy who ran for Governor of Texas as an Independent. He refers to the two major parties as "the Crips and the Bloods."

As for praying for Obama:

I will, like others have said, pray for him to be saved, and pray for him to change his thinking on the issues. But I won't limit my prayers to that. I'll pray for him the way I prayed for Clinton and Bush (who I greatly dislike) and the Supreme Court justices and Congressional leaders: that God will grant him safety and good health, bless his family, prosper him in an honest way, and make him a good husband, father, and man. I'll pray for God to bless him - - - although I no longer say "God bless America." We're past that point, and the Bible doesn't instruct me to pray for that.

When we limit our prayers to "God, please straighten this chucklehead out," we're not really praying for him; we're criticizing him to God. I don't think that's the kind of prayers God wants. Such prayers are a little too close to Luke 18:11 for my tastes.

Right, but praying that he comes to truly believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and represent American in a God glorifying way is not criticizing him, it's blessing him!

Peace and Love,
Stephen

kittn1 11-03-2008 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Here Am I (Post 10849)
I don't think most Christians will pray for him, mainly because there is so much apostasy here in America.

I heard that during the Clinton administration, there was an increase in prayer...for the Lord to return!
:D


Then if Obama wins, it may become a question of who's the better evangelist? Obama or Clinton? (I already listened to that part, Here Am I:D)

Traditional Anglican 11-03-2008 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendetta Ride (Post 10897)
I am also a lifelong Republican. One of my earliest memories was sitting in a booth at the Los Angeles County Fair in 1956, when my mother was working for Ike's re-election. But no more. At the Presidential level, GOP candidates are always better than their Democratic opponents, but that's damning with faint praise!

I'm with Kinky Friedman, the eccentric Jewish cowboy who ran for Governor of Texas as an Independent. He refers to the two major parties as "the Crips and the Bloods."

As for praying for Obama:

I will, like others have said, pray for him to be saved, and pray for him to change his thinking on the issues. But I won't limit my prayers to that. I'll pray for him the way I prayed for Clinton and Bush (who I greatly dislike) and the Supreme Court justices and Congressional leaders: that God will grant him safety and good health, bless his family, prosper him in an honest way, and make him a good husband, father, and man. I'll pray for God to bless him - - - although I no longer say "God bless America." We're past that point, and the Bible doesn't instruct me to pray for that.

When we limit our prayers to "God, please straighten this chucklehead out," we're not really praying for him; we're criticizing him to God. I don't think that's the kind of prayers God wants. Such prayers are a little too close to Luke 18:11 for my tastes.

I would pray also for him to be led by the wisdom of God (even if he does not know God is the source.) For me, I would still pray for God's blessings on our Nation, for all of the flaws the Nation has, we still have the largest number of Christians and remain the largest sender and supporter of missionaries.

Vendetta Ride 11-03-2008 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Traditional Anglican (Post 11002)
I would pray also for him to be led by the wisdom of God (even if he does not know God is the source.) For me, I would still pray for God's blessings on our Nation, for all of the flaws the Nation has, we still have the largest number of Christians and remain the largest sender and supporter of missionaries.

That is true, by the grace of God, but I don't believe that the presence of a remnant will hold off God's judgment much longer. The Biblical pattern is that God removes the remnant, then unleashes His wrath. That's where the Rapture comes in.

But I will not ask God to bless a nation that has deliberately and intentionally rejected Him as America has. Don't do it, Lord!


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