Non KJV Only Heretic?
 

Do you think that someone who is not in agreement with the KJV only position should be considered a heretic? Have they committed apostasy if they use another English translation and consider it to be equally valid? I look forward to your thoughts.

againstheresies...

What is the purpose of your question? On the other thread, you asked why we reject the NKJV. When given the reasons, you continually picked every answer apart and beat a dead horse into the ground. Are you waiting for someone to call you a heretic so you can do the same thing on this thread?

BTW, I used to use the NKJV all the time until I decided to study the issue for myself. I wasn't quite as knowledgeable as you appear to be on this issue, but I was knowledgeable enough to be able to compare texts and verses and allow the Holy Spirit to show me which texts were God's Word and which weren't.

It's really odd that all those who use the MVs, compare those MVs to the KJV...why not compare them to other MVs? Or would that be too confusing? Many of the MVs contradict other MVs, depending on which MV you are using, I guess..:confused:

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No. I genuinely want to know your response. I picked at some of your arguments on the other thread because it was my opinion that the arguments were fallacious. I wanted to see if you could see the weakness and provide a better response.

In this thread I want to know your opinion. I am not sure why no one has responded. All I am looking for is a simple yes or no to the question. I am not asking you to defend your position.

...No

I went for a time after I was saved (while reading the KJV btw) reading the NIV, but after a friend showed me all the omissions that exists in the NIV, and after looking at tracts that shows all the verses that are missing, all the Lord missing, and I can go on and on... that I went to KJV and I have no plans of going back. I've read only a little bit of the NKJV and that version has the same problems as the NIV so i wouldn't read it either... Just the KJV... so... you can be a saved person and reading the NKJV... If the KJV only position is wrong, then hey, I am still going into Heaven because my salvation is secure... but I want to be sure that I am getting no omissions, no dropped verses, and I sure do not need footnotes that states "in some manuscripts blah blah blah" that would only lead me to question if there is indeed that it is God's Word that I am reading...

Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
Tit 3:10 A man that is a heretic after the first and second admonition reject;
Tit 3:11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

A man is not a heretic because he rejects the KJV, but because after he asks foolish, unprofitable and vain questions, he rejects the admonition given him.

If the hat fits, wear it.

my last word on the matter.....
 

It's funny, I looked up the verse you use 2Peter 3:18. and IRONICALY, 2Peter 2:1 says this. But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers amoung you, who pivily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. KJV!!!

AGIAINST HERESIES??????? i don't think so....

According to Webster's 1828 dictionary, this is the definition of a heretic:

-A person under any religion, but particularly the christian, who holds and teaches opinions repugnant to the established faith, or that which is made the standard of orthodoxy. In strictness, among christians, a person who holds and avows religious opinions contrary to the doctrines of Scripture, the only rule of faith and practice.

So according to the definition, I would say that person would be a heretic if he started teaching false doctrine. In many cases though someone who has a false Bible, has it under ignorance. I would not consider them a heretic unless they practiced and preached unbiblical doctrine.

Do you think that someone who is not in agreement with the KJV only position should be considered a heretic? Have they committed apostasy if they use another English translation and consider it to be equally valid?

In a word, No.

I think of the KJB as fresh, wholesome "food". I consider other versions as varying degress of canned "food" lacking proper nutrients because of tampering and "over-processing".

...Besides, God wouldn't inspire writings that disagree with each other. The KJB, even by it's enemies (and those who sort of use it) is the standard for comparison.

Is an mv user a heretic simply because they use an mv? Not necessarily. BUT if they use one with full knowledge of the differences and history of the manuscripts - and still reject the truth, because it will rock the boat, go against their family, friends or church, or some other reason where they choose to compromise, then I truly believe they are compromising and sinning. It is one thing not to know the truth on this issue and to use mv's ignorantly - it is quite another thing to deliberately choose a watered down position or compromising position because standing for the truth is not something they are willing to do.

AMEN AND AMEN!!!

There is another reason why someone refuses to use the KJB over other newer version:

They just haven't been convinced. I'm an exclusive KJB user and advocate. However, I must admit, some of the meanest people I know are KJB Advocates. Calling someone names, telling them they are sinning and somehow are stupid isn't going to draw them.

The "other side" a lot of times, comes across more loving. There are a lot of voices out there saying a lot of things. In contending for the faith, we need to be more loving and patient. Jesus was with all of us.

The anything goes ecumenical crowd will ALWAYS appear more "loving" - but it is not loving to reject the truth. I don't believe someone is stupid because they don't know facts about the Bible version issue - ignorant means lack of knowledge and is not an insult. As I stated, it depends upon their motivation as to why they reject the KJV or are not willing to become KJVonly. If they know the differences and reasons behind the issue and refuse to take a stand, that is sin - or if they know there are some major differences and couldn't care less, then that is also sin and compromise - Revelation refers to this as being lukewarm and sickening to God.

P.S. I have seen MANY of the "other side" get pretty nasty when you don't accept their anything goes position/mentality.

Peace. Brother. I'm on your side....

I know all to well about the nastiness of non-KJB people. I had one "talk loudly" to me for over 2 hours. My point was about not being convincing enough. The last church I pastored understood that I use the KJB and nothing else (as far as versions are concerned). My associate pastor just couldn't accept any of my "arguments". So, he needs more convincing.

yup, my last church flat out came against the king james bible, saying it was archaic, was totally wrong, i defended it to the point almost all my friends in that division of the church denomination didn't want anything to do with me.. and i never said anything about their versions other than to warn them about the missing verses. they always went on the attack and i always went on the defense. toward the end of my time their i had enough and i wouldn't back down, or let the other people back down, i'd be debating them 5 and 6 against me.. it was one of the contributing factors to me giving up my ministry in that denomination. in fact a pastor friend of mine was ordered by his church to use newer bible versions, he refused, then they tried ordering him to soften up on his messages, not to be so focussed on holiness, and repentance.. he sat down with them and had it out and eventually told them "look i'm the pastor, i'll use what bible i wanna use, and i'll preach on whatever i feel lead to preach on, and if you got a problem with that the take it up with God, because i'm the pastor and it's my job to preach and teach the truth if it is welcome or not" that day he laid down his ordination credentials on the table in the boardroom and ceased to be in the assemblies of God.

Hallelujah and Amen.

The short answer is NO.

A man's salvation & walk with God does not revolve around which version of the Bible he uses.

However, in order to grow and know truth, a man must yeild to the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and the authority of the perfect word of God. A man who picks and chooses verses from different bibles is not honouring God's word, but thinks the Book is just like any other. Likewise, a man who has a KJB, and yet does not give it authority, or listen to the Holy Spirit, may as well just use an NIV :P

Mormons are a prime example of this. They have the perfect word of God in their KJB, but they don't honour it, and add to it with their book of moron.

How about "Genetically Modified" which would be more accurate - smile.

No, man, you can get saved from a used newspaper edition of God's Word... if there is one. Read carefully Philippians 1:
Php 1:15-18
(15) Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
(16) The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
(17) But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
(18) What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.

And yes, it's from the KJV, not NKJV.

However, a smart guy is going to compare scripture against scripture, both within the KJV *and* with other Bible versions, selected versions, of course. People should do enough UNBIASED research to answer the question: Which Bible? and then use that version as your MAIN Bible, even when comparing with other versions for fetching other ways of looking at a KJV reference. Nothing wrong with it. If you DON'T do this research, you will end up confused about "which version?" until you do.

Correction: you don't even NEED any written form of the scriptures to initially get saved.