Why isn't the Second day of Creation said to be good?
 

Genesis 1:3-10 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.. . . Genesis 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Why doesn't God say that that which was created on the second day was good?

Job_15:15, Behold, he putteth no trust in his saints; yea, the heavens are not clean in his sight.

This is one reason both the Roman catholics and NASA throw out the Bible.

Chette, verse 31 covers everything.

Interesting question. Good answer by Brother Tim.

Peace and Love,
Stephen

No, Vs 31 one is a general statement that could be speaking of the completed 6 days as a whole. but specifically the creation spoken of each day is said to be good except the second day. again vs 31 it could be speaking of the whole of the six days of creation or it could be speaking about just the things created upon the earth inside the firmament. but the second day's placing of a firmament was not concidered good the day it was made.

Why is the placement firmament not good? By the way this firmament did not exist between the earth and the heaven in vs one.

We know God is everywhere. those in Revelation are said never to be in darkness for God is their light. if God's creation was true to his nature then all of the heaven should be filled with his light. why the need to call for light is God is light?

Where then did the darkness of verse 2 come from? this is the same darknes we see at night today.

And why does the waters below and above need to be separated? generally you want to separate your pure water from polluted water.

Which separated part is God calling the Heaven? that which is above? or that which is below?

Vs 1 God is said to have created the earth. this is not the dry land of vs 10. as the first reference is to a large stellar body the second is of land mas on a stellar body.

Paul tells us the there are three heavens with no apology. the first the atmosphere or sky where the birds fly vs 20, the second the area where the moon, stars and the greater light called the sun are hung Vs 17 (here take note God set them IN the firmament which puts God where?).

the third heaven is where? it will be full of light. if the third heaven is a spiritual place then there is no need for a division between it and the physical earth.

EasyE, good answer, you are on track. Take note on the verse in Job it speaks of heavens (plural) not heaven (singular) in this verse God declares there are heavens that are not clean in his sight. wonder where they are above the firmament or below the firmament?

just for clarification.

The light was not created or made in verse 3, this tells us this light God calls for existed before the darkness John 5:1a may give us a clue to this light that is called for and not created. that light is not the same as the lights later created in vs 16.

When God calls for light, the light is coming from one direction. one side of the earth is lit while the other is still in darkness. hence night and day. later he places two lights to continue the night and day process once his light is removed.

interesting as you pull all the pieces of the Bible together you can see the Godhead in creation.

Not only that but things that are not revealed as being created during this time we are told in the New Teastament, Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: (you will notice the singular heaven here)

from this we know, not everything that was created was recorded in Genesis chapter one. some things that were created were done some time before Genesis Vs 2

Isaiah 34:4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.

Perhaps this can shed light on this.

I will say that I didn't just disregard your (Chette's) question when I read what brother tim wrote. Nothing in Scripture is there by accident, and I think this is one particular instance where there is something to be gain by understanding this peculiarity.

By the way, Isaiah 34 is interesting in light of

Revelation 6:12-17 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

I also wonder if this has anything to do with Isaiah 63. I am such a prophesy noob so bare with me.

Isaiah 34:6 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.

then

Isaiah 63:1-4 Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save. Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat? I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment. For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.

Man I'm all over the place here. Forgive me. I guess I'm just wondering if this is all the same thing. Are these passages all speaking about the day of His vengeance? Is this the great and dreadful day of the Lord? Shall this also be when the moon turns to the color of blood and the heavens roll back as a scroll?

Someone have a noob tshirt?

Much Love in Christ,
Stephen

One of the reasons I posted this set of questions was to get the Gap and no Gap people answering some questions in light of Genesis one context, and the sound mind we are given us in Christ Jesus.

it is easy to just say. "I believe just what's written" then ignore what is written. dividing Genesis Chapter One rightly is a very tasking endeavor. and it is quite revealing as to what went on before the 6 days creation senario. Vs one is not a general statement that God created then moves on to give details of that creation. Actually verses 2 through to the end are general with details and chapter two goes into more detailed info of the six days of creation.

Verse one hides in it a mystery but it is partially revealed in other places of scripture if we divide and ask the questions. i.e. the collossians 1:16, Isaiah 14:12-14, Job 15 and other chapters where Gods' creations are mentioned.

one thing I have always seen was the earth was created for a higher purpose than just to work out the sin problem for mankind, and to destroy Satan and the devils. and that purpose goes back before Genesis 1:2

Amen, Bro. Chette!

If we rely on Genesis 1 alone and disregard or refuse to consider other Scriptures, I wonder when did God create angels, cherubims, seraphims, the 24 elders (I assume that these 24 elders are not ordinary human beings and were there around the throne since time immemorial), horses of fire, etc.

I beleive dinosaurs were reptiles that at the time of Adam lived longer life spans as did man at that time. then they were all destroyed in the flood.

Radio-carbon dating is not a reliable as scientist would have us believe. once a fossel is exposed to the air the carbon levels increase, if the sceintist smokes it makes it even higher count giving outrageous dates, any camp fires near the site would also affect the carbon levels

but let's get back to the questions at hand. in post #5 and lets see if we can find an answer to the firmament.

you see many think the firmament is the atmoshere. but it is a type of firmament in it all the animals and birds are places. then there is the firmament where the Sun, Moon and stars are placed. this acounts for two heavens. where is the thrid? the third is accessable by spirits and souls, and it i a physical place as well.

and why is the firmament not said to be good. (though it has a purpose that is good it was not thought of by God to be a good thing on the day it was created.

Chette, in reference to verse 31 and the "missing" phrase from the second day:

"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good."

We cannot, with the statement of the above verse, then go backward and say that God did not speak of the firmament as being good for it is His creation.

Darkness is simply the absence of light. It is not created.

We need to be extremely careful not to base an interpretation on what God did not say.

you need to learn about the specifics and the general statements.

you did go backwards in applying vs 31. but verses concerning the second day are specific and it does not say it was good. I did say it had its purpose which is good. you need only find what the purpose of a firmament is.

The sun which is for light for us today was created, but the light God calls for was not created. I stated that and pointed you to whom that light was.

I do not believe and so do others that God creates anything in an imperfect state of emptiness or darkness it would be against his nature. remember God did not make the earth void and dark he comes upon it in that state and it is not the God the Father who finds it that way but the Holy Spirit. Verse one does not say he created the heaven and the earth in an imperfect incomplete state. Follow your advice on being careful not to interpret what God did not say.

I am not making doctrine here. only asking you to answer questions about Genesis Chapter one via ALL of the word of God.

you do not know how close you are to agreeing with Evolutionist when you make God creating imperfect earth without any Biblical proof God in deed create it in that state originally, and then progressed to 6 days of creation. you would have God creating the earth in the past then some time in the future finalizing his creation in 6 days. this is why the questions are possed concering the second day.

Try answering the questions why did God place the SUn moon and stars inside the firmament? what does that mean?

Fllowing your logic that God did create an imperfect earth can you find any scripture in the rest of the Bible that God did anything imperfect or incomplete?

Chette, I am afraid to either you have totally misunderstood me, or I am completely confused by what your point is.

1 ) Nowhere did I say that God created something imperfect.

2 ) In verse 31, the Scripture clearly says that EVERY THING that God made during the Creation Week was very good. He made the firmament on the second day. Therefore, the firmament was good.

3 ) You are using the term "incomplete" as though it implies an incapability on the part of God during creation. God chose to use a six-day process to complete the creation. The reasons why may not be fully understood, but it is still a fact. It should be noted that each part that was created on each day was complete in itself on that day.

4 ) In absolutely no consideration do I accept a gap of time between verse 1 and verse 2. The creation of the earth itself initiates the literal week of creation.

Tim,

God is light in him is no darkenss at all. this is both a moral and physical discription. you by implication of the absence of light is to have something in an imperfect state. so how long was the heaven and the earth in darkness? Or was it just the Earth in Darkness? from verse 2 on, the only creation being done is with the earth not the heaven. only after the firmament do we see God create a sun moon and stars and he calls the place he places them heaven. but this cannot be the heaven of verse one. becuase the heaven of verse one is already created and the other heaven is not created until after the firmament. if we follow what your are saying the heaven was also in darkness and void not just the earth, and it was in darkness before it was even created. ans seeing vs ones order it would imply the Heaven was created before the Earth.

Look closely, God has entered into a place which has been darkened made empty(void)from another source. Vs 2 does not imply that the earth in anyway was created in darkness. to have darkenss and a void is a creation that at that time was imperfect. we see progressive creation in the six days but this in no way means God created the earth void and in darkness.

Vs 31 is a general statement concerning all he made within the firmament. the firmament was not said to be good only those things he place and created in it are what is spoken of as everything is made was good. the first day is said to be good because the light he calls forth is Jesus. that light is the light of the world. and apart fromhim nothing was made.

it is ok if you don't believe in a gap theory. I haven't mentioned the gap theory at all in any of my text except to get those who do and don't to answer some questions of which you only talk about vs 31. read closely again and answer the questions.

I am not promoting a gap theory I am only trying to get people to answer some questions posed by the second day not being said good while ALL other days are said to be good.and plus we are looking at the other creations found throughout the scriptures that don't fit in the six day senario of Genesis Chapter One or Two.

It seems you wont answer the questions because you have made up your mind not too.

please only post if you will be reasonable to answer the questions. in my first two posts. remember and consider this God can see in the darkness as if it is day according to the Psalmist. So why does God need to call forth light?

Brother, this statement does not encourage me to participate in discussion with you in this matter. Your questions are either confusing or appear to be rhetorical. I have no idea what you expect as an answer. You are acting as if I were being stubborn, which I am not. Your original question asks why the second day wording is different. I answered in two ways. First, that God does call the firmament good in verse 31 by inclusion, and second, that trying to answer the "why" part is difficult, because one must depend on a reason for an omission, which can open the door for much confusion.

Can someone else here help me out? Am I mixed up, or being recalcitrant?

I must call attention to the Job 15:15 quote used by EasyE and supported by Chette. Please notice from whom the quote is given.
Remember at the end of the book, God Himself discredits the words of the men who spoke against Job, including Eliphaz. Therefore, the words of Eliphaz are not to be considered as fact, especially when not supported elsewhere in the Scriptures by a more reliable source.

Don't dismiss it because of who God used to inspire his word through. Remember God used men to pen His Word who were not always right with HIm and Eliphaz is one of them. If you dismiss Job 15:15 because of who he is you have just divided wrongly.

just answer some of the questions please.

When one considers Eliphaz a reliable source of doctrine and even a writer of Scripture, I give up. :(

Be careful, Tim, you're heading for a mudhole that you'll get stuck in.

You may want to read Job 4 and see who spoke to Eliphaz.

In Job 4, the "spirit" is not identified. However, in Job 42, the LORD plainly shows His thoughts about Eliphaz:

Are you saying that God does put trust in the saints?

Or that the heavens are clean in his sight?

:confused:

I am only saying that the words of Eliphaz are suspect. If he stated a truth in the verse you quoted, then there should be another location in the Scriptures where the truth is repeated. Is that too much to ask? Since God accused him of not speaking the truth, I'll side with Him over a question of logic.

I speak of the heavens are not clean in his sight.

it is repeated by Bildad in the same book. remember not all that they spoke was lies, a little lie as often masked in truth in order to make it look like the truth. What they spoke that was not truth was that God was punishing Job for hiding sin in his heart, and that God doesn't bring adversity against righteous men but prosperity. that is the error of the prosperity theology today.

Before men Job was righteous. but before God none are righteous.

there are no suspect scripture in the Bible. It is all the word of God. wheter or not the men whom are quoted were liars. Let God be true and EVERY MAN a liar.

I am amazed at the fact that Mature Christians are not willing to make none doctrinal conjecture of Scriputres. But they are willing to make conjuectors when it comes to doctrinal matters.

The word tells us that those things which God has revealed are for us. but then we don't want to talk about some of what God has revealed like the creation of a firmament on which the day God made it he does not claim it was good.

When you see that God places things with in the firmament. this means God is outside the firmament He on one side and we on the inside. Don't take that wrongly as God's essential power is in all things and he can't be separated from his power which lays in the fact that all things are held togetehr by him.

So anything that is created to separate us from God can not be a good thing.

It is good, in the fact that this firmament is a place of confinment for sin, Satan and the devils so they cannot permiate any further corruption in the Abode of God.

It is good in the fact that God can work out a plan of salvation for fallen man. and by his foreknowledge he knew all these things woud come to pass on his creation in the firmament.

It is good for in a appointed time this firmament will be rolled up like a scroll never again to cause separation between God and his creation. when he make all things new. those all things are that which is inside the firmement.

We should never fear to explore the vast riches of God. for we May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; of all that God has done in this firmament. these words Of Scripture are not just limited to the love of Christ as many interpret them. it is to know all that God has done physiclly and spiritually in this firmament.

Chette, you have totally confused me!

You say,And then you immediately follow with three times, "It is good..."

:confused:

You finally get to it, lol. I was wondering when you were going to come on out with why you thought God didn't call the firmament good. I think you are on to something. I do agree with both you and Tim. I think that the firmament is good, but when God looked back upon all creation and called it good it was an over arching sense, as in "this all is good, and will serve my purpose." But that it is also not good because God knew that dispite it being necessary, that it was a boundary. It's interesting that you say that this firmament is meant to keep the those "angels which kept not their first estate" from corrupting heaven, when even the Scriptures call their leader the prince of the power of the air:

Ephesians 2:2-3 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

I think there may be other verses that show Satan as having some sort of residence in the firmament, but I may be mistaken.

Much Love in Christ,
Stephen

Agreed, but this is not a question of logic. I asked a direct question and, I am sorry brother, but you did not answer the question.

But after some digging, I found a verse to answer your question. Jesus himself talks about what the heavens' future is.

Mat_24:29, Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

See, this isn't talking about the heaven where God sits. Why would they be shaken during the Tribulation. There's a party going on up there, man! Also remember that stars can sometimes mean angels (in this case fallen angels) Rev 1:20.

These dirty heavens and their inhabitants have a future in store for them and its not pretty.

Actually another verse popped into my head.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

We are not battling politicians. They are flesh and blood. We are battling something a little higher than that and I am speaking geographically.

and that's true. it speaks geographically.

to answer Tim. though the firmament was not said to be good the day it was created. It is good in fulfilling God's will of separation of sin from his presence, in that sence that creation is good. But the question was not for the general statement of all he created was very good. But as to why on that day, unlike all the others he does not claim it as good.


The stars created are not Satan or Angels they are literal stars, Sun and Moon place inside the firmament.

Satan and the Angels both Holy and Fallen are called sons of the morning and sometime refered to as stars. the the creation in vs 14-16 is not them because those stars,moon and sun are for signs, for seasons, days months and for lights. Angels were not created for that purpose.

Devils are in the Heavenlies (which is the deep they are concigned(SP?) to until the day of Judgement.

Aloha brother Tim,

I am not taking sides in this debate, simply because there is so little to go on, but I do have a question to ask you: Can you cite anything (any "fact") that any of these men (Job, his three "friends", or Eliphaz) said or stated that was not true?

I did a study on the book of Job earlier this year and I found 175 things (facts) that most Christians today are ignorant of. Factually I could find no place where these men lied or were mistaken.

Where Job's 3 friends were "off", was in judging that Job's sufferings, trials, and tribulations were due to some "sin" in Job's life. They unrighteously misjudged Job's testing (and that's what angered God). Eliphaz "figured it out".

God didn't jump them because they had stated anything wrong (factually), except for the fact they they had misjudged what was going on in Job's life and attributed it to "sin" in his life (the makes God angry - something we should keep in mind when judging a fellow brother in Christ).

What most people don't realize is that these men were "Contemporary" with both Noah and Shem; and Noah had been "Contemporary" all the way back to Enos (Seth's son); That is Noah "bridged" the "gap" between Enos and Terah (Abraham's father).

The following "Tables" demonstrate why Job and his friends knew so much about God, the Flood, Adam, sin, etc., etc. (They were "contemporary" with the men who had gone through the Flood!):



SHEM was contemporary with: ARPHAXAD – 438 years; SALAH – 433 years; EBER – 435 years; *PELEG – 239 years; REU – 239 years; SERUG – 230 years; NAHOR – 148 years; TERAH – 205 years; ABRAHAM - 150 years.

ABRAHAM was contemporary with: SHEM – 150 years; ARPHAXAD – 88 years; SALAH – 118 years; EBER – 175 years; REU – 18 years; SERUG – 41 years; TERAH – 75 years.

I have more information on my web page under "Bible Lessons" - "The Most Extraordinary Man In The Bible".

Thanks George for that added blessing. I knew about the contemporariness of Job and his friends with Noah and Shem. but it sometimes good to see it afresh. I am sure it blest everyone else too.

Just a reminder. The things I have been sharing are not doctrinal, and have little scriputral support(there are some). we have to stretch ourselves in dwelving into these things. so as long as we remember if we disagree with God he is always right. these things we discuss are not for babes in the word but for mature Christians willing to know the hieght, wideth, the breath and depth of things the Lord has revealed but doesn't say much about in scripture. this is for fun. But God is to be glorified.

So enjoy dwelving into the things of God. Just don't knock each other and remember not to make it a doctrine.

Brother George,

I didn't see the url on your public profile. But you gave enough info in your post to link me to http://www.thywordistruthkjv.com/THE...HE%20BIBLE.htm I will say that this is looking like a great article. Truly the book of Job is a giant of a gem!

Much Love in Christ,
Stephen

Aloha brother Chette,

I agree with you 100%. We have to be careful that we don't alienate each other over issues and matters that are very difficult to prove {because of a lack of Scriptural information or lack of "spiritual understanding" on the part of one (or both!) of the brethren engaged in a debate}.

I believe as you do about the creation, but I will not debate over the issue. I believe in a pre-tribulation rapture of the church, but I will not debate the issue. I believe in the church of God as being more than just a "Local" Church, but I will not debate the issue. {I will state my position, but not engage in lengthy arguments over these matters}.

These are all issues that are very difficult to deal with either because a lack of Scripture (Creation & the "mechanics" thereof) or in the case of the "rapture" and the "church", because of the fact that they are both "mysteries", hidden from man and not revealed until God revealed them to the Apostle Paul. And they are still "mysteries" to most of mankind and many genuine Christians.

I am a tee-totaler, but I will not condemn a brother who has a glass of wine with his meals. I don't celebrate Christmas, but I don't judge a fellow Christian who does. From 1973 - 1998 we home schooled all of our children, but I do not judge a brother if he sends his children to a government school. I will not be a member of a church that is "incorporated", but I do not judge Christians who are members of "incorporated" churches.

There plenty of issues where I will judge a matter and contend for the faith; but I try real hard to deal with the "weightier matters", and not get bogged down in issues that lead to division.

The following are some of the issues or matters of doctrine where I will contend and/or defend "vigorously" {These are the major issues which are the basis of our faith and upon which we can fellowship}:

1. The Inspiration of Scripture (Of the words of God - NOT just the "originals")

2. The preservation of Scripture (That God has preserved His words through His people - the Jews 1st. & the Christians 2nd.)

3. The divine revelation of Scripture (That Scripture is Gods words for mankind)

4. God (The Triune Godhead as presented in the Bible)

5. Satan (As an existing being – The father of evil)

6. Angels (As existing)

7. Devils (Evil spirits as existing)

8. Creation (The Biblical account)

9. Man (As possessing three parts – a Body, a Soul, and a Spirit)

10. The Soul (As existing and being 1 part of the 3 parts of man)

11. The Spirit (As existing and being 1 part of the 3 parts of man)

12. Evil (As Existing - The Biblical concept of)

13. The Heart (As the seat of a person’s thoughts, imaginations, affections, will, etc.)

14. Sin (The Biblical Account of the fall – The sinful nature of all mankind.)

15. Redemption (All of mankind’s need for Salvation)

16. Signs, wonders, miracles (As recorded in the Bible)

17. World wide Flood (The Biblical Account)

18. Division of Mankind (Into three basic races: Shem, Ham, and Japeth)

19. Accountability (That individuals are responsible for their own actions – not society.)

20. Judgment (That a time will come when God is going to judge all of mankind.)

21. Heaven (As a place of Eternal Life with God)

22. Hell (As a place for Eternal Punishment.)

23. Hebrews – Jews – Israel (As being God’s earthly chosen people.)

24. Jesus Christ: (As the Creator of the world and the universe.)
(As to his Incarnation – Miraculous Conception & Birth)
(As being the bodily manifestation of the Godhead.)
(As being the fullness of the Godhead bodily.)
(As the Jews [Hebrews] Messiah.)
(As the one and only Saviour of mankind and the world.)
(As Rising from the dead.)
(As the Head of the Church – which is His body here on earth.)
(As the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.)

25. The Blood Atonement (That Jesus Christ’s Blood paid the price for sin – sins.)

26. Born Again (That a person needs to be born again in order to enter into the Kingdom of God.)

27. The Church (Christ’s Bride – The Pillar and Ground of the Truth.)

28. Marriage (God’s Institution – Between one man and one woman.)

There are plenty of Biblical issues to defend, or contend for, but those that I have listed are the "Major Issues", upon which we all should be able to fellowship around.

To think that any of us has a complete "understanding" of the Scriptures is not wise. If we can find Christians that are of "one mind" on the issues listed above, we should strive to have fellowship with them, and avoid, if possible, divisive topics. {Unless we are able to "discuss" them decently and in order, and without rancor.}

I have some very close Christian friends who do not agree with me on some matters, but we agree on all of the issues listed above. This Forum is a testimony to Christian love and tolerance in that there are some real fine brethren with whom we may disagree (the "rapture"; "gap" or no "gap"; "Local" church vs. "Universal" church, etc., etc.).

I struggle all the time with "balance" in my life - contending for the faith, without being a Pharisee or "doctrinaire". I know that the following is absolutely true and imperative:
John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

The trouble today is, that it sometimes is very difficult for me to discern WHO my brother in Christ is! :confused: Paul speaks about false brethren: "in perils among false brethren" [2Corinthians 11:26], but they are extremely difficult to identify (especially on a Forum such as this) and I don't want to accuse someone of something unless I am sure of who, or what they are.

I thank God for this Forum, not only because of the edification I have received from some of the brethren here, but also because it has given me an opportunity to form friendships with Christian brethren from around the world - whom I would not have known if it were not for this Forum. :)

Amen to your post brother and AMEN! to that last statement, all Glory to God for fellowship of those truly abiding in Christ and waiting on his return.

God Bless

I agree Brother George,

I stand for all those as well.

It was when the gap or no gap thread started I wanted to get all involved in answering some questions to help them see there are things God gives us a little scriptual support to let us know the there was something that took place prior to the 6day creation. if they want to call it a gap then ok. but not to become divisive over it and call each other names and classify them as heretics. As it seemed some have.

if they answer the questions then they could see that they might have to leave some matters to God. many did not answer any question posted. they just wanted to argue over a general term that covered all events within the firmament and a specific event on the second day.

I suppose they didn't try to answer because they have their hearts settled. and that is ok. as Paul said let each man so be convinced in his own heart.

Amen

Tim,
I never asked why the wording was different.

I asked, Why doesn't God say that that which was created on the second day was good? refereing to the firmament.

the wording is clear. he does not call the frimament made on the second day nor any event of the second day good.

the absence of that implies a lot. and only a mind willing to see into the things which God has revealed will understand.

your mind is renewed in Christ, by the word of God, you have the power to ask and answer and it will not be confusing. you can not understand my questions or statements because you are reading into them certain preconceived ideas, feelings, emotions and expressions I have not placed there.

from your Gap or No Gap posts I can conclude your mind is made up on the issue on not beleiving in a gap theory. but we are not dicussing that here. You brought your gap prejudece into this thread with a closed mind to anything that might shed light upon your dark and void thinking that all who believe in a Gap support Evolution and I nor other Gap beleivers believe in evolution.

try dropping your preconcieved ideas long enough to learn something. I am not trying to convert you to a Non evolution gap theory, I am trying to get you to see that more goes onthan meets your eye of understanding.

blessings bro.

Re: Addendum to my Post #32
 

So sorry - I missed "The Second Coming"! And I'm sure that there are a few more major issues that are worth "contending" over.