Why I Believe In The King James Bible
 

The following essay is the reason why I believe that the King James Bible is God’s Holy Word: Preserved by God – Perfect, Holy, Infallible, Inspired and Without Error. I do not hold this belief because some man or men "convinced" me. I hold this conviction because of What God demonstrated to me from “the scripture of truth” in regards to His Attitude towards His words.

The danger in embracing this “belief” or holding this “conviction” based only on the testimony and/or persuasive arguments of men is that – other men may come along who are more articulate, and more persuasive and more convincing than those men that convinced you, and talk you out of your “belief” or “conviction”. (In the last 40 years, I’ve seen it happen – more than once!)

First off let’s “clear the air” of any misconceptions that may arise. From 1958 – 1968 no man in any of the 10-12 churches that I attended (I was searching) ever once told me of the “Bible Issue”. In 1968 I was introduced to the “Issue” by Dr. Peter Ruckman in several of his books.

Upon further investigation Dean John Burgon (along with Miller, Hoskier, and Scrivener, demonstrated to me “Which” Greek text was the text that God had used and blessed throughout history. Edward Hills demonstrated to me How God preserved that text – through His saints (believer priests – not just the “scholars”) in New Testament “type” churches down through the years. J. J. Ray demonstrated to me the value of “comparing” the modern bible versions with the King James Bible and how they differed with the English text in hundreds of places. David Otis Fuller reprinted the works of some men who had defended the King James Bible between Burgon and Hills (demonstrating that some men had “tried” to uphold the words of God from the onslaught of modern “textual critics”.

Brother Peter Ruckman not only introduced me to this issue, he also was the only one of the many men that preceded him to:

#1. Identify and demonstrate the “motives” of the scholars (“scribes”) and textual critics. (Envy & Authority)

#2. Identify the “central issue” of “FINAL AUTHORITY” in a Christian’s or a church’s life. (WHO and WHAT are we to believe and follow?)

Up to this point I still was not convinced that the King James Bible is what I believe it to be today – I knew it was the “best”, but was it: Perfect, Holy, Infallible, Inspired and Without Error? That was still the question that I needed to settle, first in my heart and later in my mind. The following essay is the result of a study that I made in 1971-1972 when I “searched the scriptures” to find out what God had to say on the subject.


One of the first things that becomes apparent in studying what The Bible has to say about Itself is that God has placed WARNINGS in His word about how men are to handle It.

These WARNINGS are found near the:

Front of The Bible:

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Middle of The Bible:

Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

End of The Bible:

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

There can be no doubt as to the "meaning" of these WARNINGS! ! !

Man is commanded NOT to:

#1 ADD to the WORDS OF GOD!

#2 SUBTRACT from the WORDS OF GOD!

#3 CHANGE the WORDS OF GOD!

I believe that God means what He says: “God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? (Numbers 23:19) We must diligently observe His WARNINGS and faithfully obey His Commands concerning HIS WORDS.

Two very important Biblical Truths that are practically unknown today are that:

#1. God's word is equal to His WORDS. (Jeremiah 1:9 Then the LORD put forth his hand, and touched my mouth. And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have put my words in thy mouth.) John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. John 14:23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

#2. Whenever a man, or a family, or a city, or a county, or a country rejects God's WORDS Evil follows. (Jeremiah 6:19 Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it.)



The following is The Bible's own definition of what God's word is:

THE WORD IS

SWEET ‑ PSALMS 119:103 How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!

HONEY – PSALMS 119:103 How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!

BREAD– DEUTERONOMY 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

BREAD – LUKE. 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

WATER– EPHESIANS 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

MILK – 1 PETER 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

MEAT - HEBREWS 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

GOOD – JEREMIAH 29:10 For thus saith the LORD, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place.

PURE ‑ PSALMS 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

TRIED ‑ PSALMS 18:30As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him.

RIGHT ‑ PSALMS 33:4 For the word of the LORD is right; and all his works are done in truth

POWERFUL – HEBREWS 4:12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

POWERFUL ‑ PSALMS 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

TRUTH– PSALMS 119:43 And take not the word of truth utterly out of my mouth; for I have hoped in thy judgments.

TRUTH – JOHN 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

SETTLED FOREVER – PSALMS119:89 For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.

LAMP – PSALMS 119:105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

LIGHT – PSALMS 119:105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

VERY PURE - PSALMS119:140 Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.

TRUE ‑ PS.ALMS 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

RIGHTEOUS ‑ PSALMS 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

FOREVER – ISAIAH 40:8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

A FIRE ‑ JEREMIAH 23:29Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

HAMMER ‑ JEREMIAH 23:29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

FAITHFUL ‑ TITUS. 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

QUICK ‑ HEBREWS 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

A SWORD ‑ HEBREWS 4:12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

A DISCERNER - HEBREWS 4:12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

MORE SURE ‑ II PETER 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:


The Bible is also very clear about what the word of God does.

WHAT THE WORD DOES

TRIES – PSALMS 105:19 Until the time that his word came: the word of the LORD tried him.

CLEANSES ‑ PSALMS 119:9 Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.

KEEPS FROM SIN ‑ PSALMS 119:11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

STRENGTHENS– PSALMS 119:28 My soul melteth for heaviness: strengthen thou me according unto thy word.

GIVES HOPE ‑ PSALMS 119:49 Remember the word unto thy servant, upon which thou hast caused me to hope.

GIVES COMFORT ‑ PSALMS 119:50 This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me.

QUICKENS ‑ PSALMS 119:50 This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me.

UPHOLDS ‑ PSALMS119:116 Uphold me according unto thy word, that I may live: and let me not be ashamed of my hope.

GIVES LIGHT – PSALMS 119:130 The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.

GIVES UNDERSTANDING ‑ PSALMS119: 130 The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.

RUNS VERY SWIFTLY– PSALMS147:15 He sendeth forth his commandment upon earth: his word runneth very swiftly.

ACCOMPLISHES – ISAIAH 55:10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

PROSPERS - ISAIAH 55: 10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

JUDGES ‑ JOHN 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

SANCTIFIES ‑ JOHN 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

BUILDS UP - ACTS 20:32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

WORKS EFFECTUALLY – 1 THESSALONIANS 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

SAVES – JAMES 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

EPHESIANS 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

ROMANS 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

I PETER 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.


I do not believe nor do I suggest that the Bible and God are equal, but if a person will compare what the word is and what the word does with the Lord God Almighty Himself, the only possible conclusion that any reasonable person could reach is that GOD and HIS HOLY WORD are INSEPARABLE!


The Bible plainly states what our attitude ought to be towards God's word.


PRAISE – PSALMS 56:10 In God will I praise his word: in the LORD will I praise his word.

REBEL NOT AGAINST – PSALMS 105:28 He sent darkness, and made it dark; and they rebelled against his word.

TAKE HEED – PSALMS 119:9 Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.

HIDE ‑ PSALMS 119:11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

NOT FORGET – PS.ALMS 119:16 I will delight myself in thy statutes: I will not forget thy word.

KEEP ‑ PSALMS 119:17 Deal bountifully with thy servant, that I may live, and keep thy word.

KEEP ‑ PSALMS 119: 101 I have refrained my feet from every evil way, that I might keep thy word.

TRUST– PSALMS 119:42 So shall I have wherewith to answer him that reproacheth me: for I trust in thy word.

HOPE – PSALMS 119:74 They that fear thee will be glad when they see me; because I have hoped in thy word

HOPE – PSALMS 119:81 My soul fainteth for thy salvation: but I hope in thy word.

ESTEEM ‑ PSALMS 119:128 Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; and I hate every false way.

ESTEEM – JOB 23:12 Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food.

WALK IN - PSALMS 119:133 Order my steps in thy word: and let not any iniquity have dominion over me.

MEDITATE ‑ PSALMS 119:148 Mine eyes prevent the night watches, that I might meditate in thy word.

IN AWE OF ‑ PSALMS 119:161 Princes have persecuted me without a cause: but my heart standeth in awe of thy word.

REJOICE ‑ PSALMS 119:162 I rejoice at thy word, as one that findeth great spoil.

SPEAK ‑ PSALMS 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

HOLD FAST ‑ II TIMOTHY 1:13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

RIGHTLY DIVIDE ‑ II TIMOTHY 2:15Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

PREACH ‑ II TIMOTHY 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

DESIRE ‑ I PETER 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

JOY – JEREMIAH 15:16Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.

TREMBLE ‑ ISAIAH 66:1Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.
5 Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.


In order for us to determine what God's Attitude towards His word is we'll have to first look at the importance of His Name.


THE WORD OF GOD ‑ REVELATION 19:12&13
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man
knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS – REVELATION 19:16
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

MORE EXCELLENT THAN THE ANGELS ‑ HEBREWS 1:4
Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

JESUS' NAME IS ABOVE EVERY NAME ‑ PHILIPPIANS 2:9
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

AT JESUS' NAME EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW ‑ PHILIPPIANS 2:10
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

AT JESUS' NAME EVERY TONGUE SHALL CONFESS ‑ PHILIPPIANS 2:11
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

HE IS FAR ABOVE EVERY NAME ‑ EPHESIANS 1:21
Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

HIS NAME DECLARED THROUGHOUT THE EARTH ‑ ROMANS 9:17
For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

NONE OTHER NAME WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED ‑ ACTS 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

HIS NAME ALONE IS EXCELLENT ‑ PSALMS 148:13
Let them praise the name of the LORD: for his name alone is excellent; his glory is above the earth and heaven.


After reading the above verses as to how highly God regards His Name, what do you think God’s attitude is towards His written word?


GOD HAS MAGNIFIED HIS WORD ABOVE HIS NAME ‑ PSALMS 138:2

Psalms 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy loving kindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.


Finally, let us examine God's Promises concerning His word.


Psalms 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

Psalms 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

Psalms 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

HIS TRUTH TO ENDURE TO ALL GENERATIONS ‑ PSALMS 100:5 Psalms 100:5 For the LORD is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations.
Acts 20:32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

Acts 20:32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.


HEAVEN AND EARTH WILL PASS AWAY

BUT HIS WORDS SHALL NOT PASS AWAY ‑ LUKE 21:33
Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.


CONCERNING PROMISES - GOD IS NOT A MAN THAT HE SHOULD LIE.

Psalms 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments
endureth for ever.

Psalms 33:4 For the word of the LORD is right; and all his works are done in truth.

Psalms 145:17 The LORD is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?"

Did you know that the New Birth is dependent on the word of God being incorruptible? (1 Peter 1:22-25, James 1:18). If we aren’t sure of what the word is, or where it is – Then what assurance do we have of our salvation?

God’s word isn’t dead; or stale; or old fashioned; archaic; or out of date - So let’s revise it; or change it; or bring it up to date (ala - Madison Avenue). GOD’S WORD IS ALIVE! God inspired it. God caused it to be written. God preserved it. God has guided men down through the ages to preach and teach it. God is using it today, just as He did nearly 2,000 years ago. There is nothing in the world to compare with it!


THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR THE WORD OF GOD!

As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him. (Psalms 18:30)

“For the word of the LORD is right; and all his works are done in truth.”(Psalms 33:4)

Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; and I hate every false way. (Psalms 119:128)

Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. (John 6:68)

Is it any wonder, that after I completed this study of what God had to say about His Holy word (words) that I embraced the belief and conviction that I now hold? {If anyone were to embark on this same study in the modern versions he couldn’t possibly end up with the same belief or conviction that I hold because of - either the removal (SUBTRACTION) of “key" words: in some of the verses presented or the outright CHANGES to some of the “key” verses (FOUND ONLY IN THE KJB) in support of my belief.

The question for the modern day Christian is - are we going to trust the scholars and scribes? Or are we going to trust God? It’s your choice. After all is said and done, that’s what life is all about – choices. For the lost it’s – will you believe on and receive the Lord Jesus Christ as your Saviour or will you reject Him? For the Christian it’s - Do we believe what God has said about His word or do we reject His words and ignore them? That’s what the Christian life is all about – Believing God and obeying Him and serving Him according to His word. It’s your choice!


Last eve I paused besides a blacksmith’s door,
And heard the anvil ring, the vesper chime.
And looking in, I saw upon the floor,
Old hammers, worn with beating years of time.

“How many anvils have you had?” said I,
“To wear and batter out those hammers so?”
“Just one,” said he, and then with twinkling eye,
“The anvil wears the hammers out, you know.”

And so I thought, the Anvil of God’s Word,
For ages, skeptics blows have beat upon.
But tho the sound of falling blows is heard,
The Anvil still remains – the hammer’s gone!

HAMMER AWAY, YE REBEL BANDS!
YOUR HAMMERS BREAK –
GOD’S ANVIL STANDS!

George, that is wonderful. I've sent it to work so that I can print it out. Ditto your post 69 you referred me to in that other thread. If I may be so bold....

I'd like to see both combined and placed as a sticky here at the top of the forum. Or, perhaps as an FAQ.

:)

Agreed -- I've made the thread sticky.

Wonderful, Bro. George! Glory be to the Name above all names, and magnified be the Word that is above all His Name!

Hi George,
Just wanted to chime in and say thank you for that. It truly is an awesome study. It is most encouraging.

Denny

A perfect example of Rightly Dividing the Word of God with the Help of the Author Himself. There are too many modernists leaning on their own understanding, and some, I fear are not reading under the Guidance of the Holy Spirit Of God without whom we cannot discover Truth.

God Bless you Brother

Posted In the name of Truth, The LORD Jesus Christ

Reminder...
 

Reminds me of how very little I know, and that the Good Word is immeasurable, inexhaustible, and eternally unchangeable. Thank you, Brother.

Aloha brother,

I have appreciated your posts and comments, may our Lord bless you, and keep you, and guide you into all truth (His Truth!).

Our fourth son (37 years old) has had Fibromyalgia for over three years (and God has used this debilitating disease to draw him closer to Himself also), so we have just a very slight idea of what you have endured. Our prayers are with you, keep looking up - He can't be that much longer in coming for us.:)

Some time back I copied a statement made by Matthew Verschuur that very succinctly expressed the topic of this thread, while George's initial post lays it out excellently in detail. Here is that paragraph:

[QUOTE]
Aloha Brother,
This is great, I am glad the Brandon made it a sticky. What I found to be the most profound was the warning or danger that men arguments can persuade you if you do not put these things in your heart.

My heart is fixed, O God, my heart is fixed: I will sing and give praise. Psalms 57:7

What a great revelation.

Aloha
Scott

I love the KJV, but I have a question. We are all English-speaking people in this forum, but what about translations into foreign languages? If we believe the KJV is the only inspired version of the Bible available today, how can we be sure that people of other languages will have access to the pure Word of God, since they can't read the KJV? Will a translation into Russian, Dutch, Swahili, etc., be as reliable to them as the KJV is to us? How do we know that there are reliable translators in the present day who can make a KJV equivalent available in foreign languages to others?

None are equivalent, but some translations are better than others, i.e. Reformation ones into German, Dutch, French or Italian. I would rather support the teaching of people English and then have them use the KJB.

Yeah I agree here. If we can give people of another tongue a translation in their own language that is based on the KJB, then good. But this should only be something that gets them by until they are able to learn English and read the KJB. If we cannot offer them a faithful translation based on our KJB, then I don't see the point in labouring to make another translation when it would take far less time to teach people English and have them reading the true authoritative Bible.

Peace and Love,
Stephen

Thanks. I understand your point. However, I think that if the church is to be obedient to our Lord's command in Mark 16:15-16, those whom He calls to take the Gospel message to foreign lands must be prepared to learn their languages and translate, or provide a translation of, the Word of God into those languages. It seems to me that if God calls a man to proclaim the Gospel to those whose native language is not English, He will also equip him to provide an equivalent translation of the Word of God that they can read and understand in their native language. I suppose the answer to my question must be that a sovereign God who is in absolute control of His creation, "who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will" (Ephes. 1:11), will call out His elect from "all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues" (Rev. 7:9), and in order to do that, He will equip His people with the ability to accurately translate and proclaim His Word to them! It will not be the KJV, but it will be an equivalent translation into their language. Is not this the goal of the Trinitarian Bible Society, which is a faithful supporter of the KJV?

The Trinitarian Bible Society does not stand for the King James Bible, but rather the so called 'originals' which of course we don't have (nor do we have a difinitive; "look here, finally the argument is over, I have the the faithful copies of the originals", copy of said originals) and therefore they do not believe in Biblical preservation. Here is a quote from wikipedia on the TBS:

Some, owing to the Trinitarian Bible Society’s support of the King James Version of the Bible, have assumed that the Society is a part of the King-James-Only Movement. However, as the Society has publicly stated,

‘The Trinitarian Bible Society does not believe the Authorised Version to be a perfect translation, only that it is the best available translation in the English language’.[4]

Indeed, unlike those in the King James Only movement, it is the firm belief of the Society that ‘The supernatural power involved in the process of inspiration, and in the result of inspiration, was exerted only in the original production of the sixty-six Canonical books of the Bible (2 Peter 1:20-21; 2 Peter 3:15-16).’

‘Translations from the original languages are likewise to be considered the written Word of God in so far as these translations are accurate as to the form and content of the Original.’

‘Translations made since New Testament times must use words chosen by uninspired men to translate God’s words. For this reason no translation of the Word of God can have an absolute or definitive status. The final appeal must always be to the original languages, in the Traditional Hebrew and Greek texts’.

We who do believe God and His promise to preserve His Word have heard this garbage before and do not stand with those that spread this sort of nonsense.

So back to the original subject; I do think it is good to translate vital portions of the KJB when going to foreign lands (namely Pauls epistles). But you've got to realize that this takes tremendous work, and in comparison to teaching people to read english, it just doesn't seem to be a good investment of time, considering how much less time it takes to teach people to read English. Thank the Lord, that the gospel isn't complicated, and can be preached with a minimal understanding of another language. So it is my belief that the missionary should focus on preaching the simlicity that is in Christ Jesus, and then work on seeing people learning English in order to read God's Word.

Peace and Love,
Stephen

Also, I think that Bible prophecy indicates that before the return of Christ, there is to be one Gospel "form".

"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people" (Revelation 14:6).

That particular form of the Gospel, I think, is the King James Bible going forth to everyone. And that in English, despite what "mother tongue" the people belong to.

While that Gospel (Rev. 14:6-7) is in fact something different from that taught in Paul's Epistles, and also different from that preached by John the Baptist and Jesus Christ, I agree about the English language. More people around the world learn English as a second language (ESL) than perhaps any other two or more languages combined. I myself speak halfway passable Spanish, so I understand the difficulty in learning two languages, but the language of trade, aviation, tourism and even the internet is English (or Latin character-using UTF-8 encoded languages :rolleyes: ). It makes sense that God would have propagated His perfect word in English for distributing It in the end time; even now we see His infinite wisdom in giving us His word in English.

I think the Bible should be translated into foreign languages. If I went to a foreign field I would think it better to translate the Bible than teach English. If the Bible is translated then everyone can read it. If I chose to teach English to a tribe than thousands around would not have a chance to learn. Plus, after I am long gone they can keep printing the Bible in their tounge and spreading the Word instead of having to try to teach other tribes/areas to speak English and how to read in English.

If I only spoke their tounge and English I would trnaslate from the KJV, Geneva, and Tynsdale NT but if I knew Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic I would use these and reference the KJV, Geneva, and Tynsdale.

Amen! We serve a righteous God!

Romans 11:33-36 (KJV) O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

Peace and Love,
Stephen

Some so called "Ruckmanism" before Dr. Ruckman was born
 

Excerpts from William Lyon Phelps' book "Human Nature in the Bible, copyright 1922, he was a professor at Yale:



1. "Priests, atheists, sceptics, devotees, agnostics, and evangelists are generally agreed that the Authorised Version of the English Bible is the best example of English literature that the world has ever seen. It combines the noblest elevations of thought, aspiration, imagination, passion and religion with simplicity of diction."

2. "Everyone who has a thorough knowledge of the Bible may truly be called educated; and no other learning or culture, no matter how extensive or elegant, can, among Europeans and Americans, form a proper substitute." "I thoroughly believe in a university education for both men and women; but I believe a knowledge of the Bible without a college course is more valuable than a college course without the Bible."

3. "We Anglo-Saxons have a better Bible than the French or the Germans or the Italians or the Spanish; our English translation *is even BETTER THAN the original Hebrew and Greek*. There is only one way to explain this; I have no theory to account for the so-called "inspiration of the Bible," but I am confident that the *Authorised Version was INSPIRED*.

4. "We ought invariably in the church and on public occasions to use the Authorised Version; *all others are inferior*. And, except for special purposes, it should be used *EXCLUSIVELY* in private reading. Why make constant companions of the second best, when the best is available?

One other thing I have noticed aver the years, it seems to lend itself to MEMORIZATION better than the other versions as well. It's peculiar and hard to explain but it's true.

None are equivalent, but some translations are better than others, i.e. Reformation ones into German, Dutch, French or Italian. I would rather support the teaching of people English and then have them use the KJB.

Have you heard the old English Protestant Rhyme?

Is God not English? For Wycliffe begat Hus, who begat Luther, who begat the Truth.

Well, with the exception of Traditional Anglican (and yourself), we're not protestant. :)

Baptists aren't protestants, regardless of what this pro-Catholic world wants everyone to think.

Does it bother you that King James instructed the four English delegates to the Synod of Dordt to vote with the majority? That all the translators of the KJV were Calvinists like me? That there were no Baptists invited to take part in the translation, and indeed couldn't even teach in the churches of the time?

Have you even thought about these things?

Does it bother you that you got banned? :rolleyes:

Baptists, even in pre-Revolution America, were always looked down on and persecuted. Their lack of involvement in the King James Translation Committee is irrelevant; they also had little part in the Great Awakenings, and little enough to do with the missionary outreach of the 1800s, at least at first. Most great missionaries started out as Presbyterians, Congregationalists (Anglicans), Methodists or even Lutherans. Carey was a Baptist, and Judson later became one as well, but overall the great missionaries (and evangelists!) weren't technically "Baptists." SO??

Truth is TRUTH, regardless of whether it's just Jesus and His 12 disciples, or Luther and a few trusted friends, or John Clarke at Rhode Island (he started the Baptist church in America, not Roger Williams). The truth is ALWAYS in the minority, at least when it comes to Biblical truth. That's why, of all the denominations, the Baptist church is likely one of the smallest, and among the Baptists, true Bible Believers are the smallest group.

You're ignorant of life, in general, and truth, specifically.

Synod of Dort
 

Wow, I'd never read that document until now. I must say that it only futhers my love for the work done by these translators.

You know what I always notice among our critics is that they think they know something about The Bible that we don't. They always come around with "well did you know..." type attacks. It's really pathetic imho. As if I'd devote my entire life to the teachings of this Book and not do a thorough study of its origins. Please... :caked:

For Jesus' sake,
Stephen

I have recently become a student of Bro. Sam Gipp, and find him one of the authorities on the KJV of the Bible. Hope all will take the time to Google his website for further information. This is an excellent thread and being a "newbie" have gotten some wonderful information. Thank you

You have done well in the defense of the words of God.God bless you...

Also Bro. James Beller has written an excellent book "America in Crimson Red" It is an excellent book on Baptist History. I am enjoying the posts and am learning so much. Thank you

Question for you guys:

What exactly does a KJV-Onlyist believe. I'm curious to see if I fit into this category.

Look here:
http://av1611.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245

Brother Try not to put yourself into a specific catagory, I dont know a lot about the textual issues (not nearly as much as many on the forum do) but I do know that the changes and ommisions in modern versions point me to the KJB as the Word of God perfectly preserved, LEAD only BY Gods Spirit when I read HIS WORD, I have been blessed to have only grown up with the KJB and I would call MYSELF a Born Again Bible Believing Christian and Gods Word has been preserved for me in His Holy Bible and I hold it in my hand and proclaim it!
Keep a Sword in your hand and keep it sharp.

Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Having glanced over some of the posts that Jordan has left on the forum I now realise that he is somewhat of a Bible corrector with an obvious agenda here on the forum and not as one seeking truth in Gods Holy Book. Unless of course this young man has accepted the truth that the KJB is THE BIBLE.
Somehow knowing the particular trend of "Christians" that come on the forum and deny God has preserved his Word, I doubt this young mans sincerity.

But I warn you Jordan, the Lord does not look to kindly upon those who come to malign and deceive the Brethren.

Job 5:13 He taketh the wise in their own craftiness: and the counsel of the froward is carried headlong.

1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

Romans 3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

I'm not coming to deceive anyone. I'm just here trying to figure out what you all believe, that's all.

Judge not, that ye be not judged.

The above Scripture you quoted is in light of Hypocritical Judgement. You are not here to see what we all think, you are here to craftily tell us that we are all WRONG (Highlighted by you own video Blog on your website) for believing in the KJB as the innerrant Word Of God and your own words and posts decieve you!
You have come not as one seeking answers, but as one stirring up contention.

What is YOUR final authority for ALL matters of faith and practice?

The Word of God

Jordan, you asked:Do you in any fashion think that you fit into a category of people defined as King James Version/Bible-Only? Are you sincerely asking this question as one who is not sure of his position? The reason that I ask is that your witness is not that of one who is uncertain and seeking advice.

You then say:which is not congruent with the first question above.

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Jordan, I went on your site, and I believe that you are sincere in your efforts to speak out for the Christian faith, but I do have a big problem with your honesty on this thread.

You said above:but I see that your post asking "What exactly does a KJV-Onlyist believe" and whether or not you "fit into this [KJBO] category" is dated well after your video "KJV Only?" in which you emphatically state that you are NOT "KJVO". Does this not appear to be deceitful, Brother?

Hmm. Where is it?