Aussiemama, yes the Commandment says not to kill. But Samuel hewed Agag in pieces. God told the Israelites to wipe out every person that lived in Jericho, and in turn the entirety of Canaan. God killed Ananias and Saphira. The list goes on and on. Simply saying that killing someone is wrong without checking the circumstances doesn't work.

I'd recommend just leaving it here: cases where abortion is necessary to save the life of the mother are so rare that they are the exception, not the rule, and they are referred to most of the time just so people can excuse killing a child that they don't want to be responsible for. No one says it's the right thing to do if that circumstance happens to occur, but Biblically it would be the better thing. Children are an heritage, but God creates an inseperable bond between a man and a woman that should not be broken by anything, children included.

(This coming from a guy who strongly believes every doctor that has performed an abortion should be executed for murder by the government of his/her own state.)

I beg your pardon; I made a rare typographical error. The expression is "zoom dweebie." I would define it as a person who is exceptionally exasperating in some way, on a consistent basis. It has no relation to the current term "dweeb;" "zoom dweebie" was in widespread use forty years ago.

In fact, I suspect that "dweeb" can probably be traced, etymologically speaking, to "zoom dweebie," although the meanings are different. Kinda like what's happened to "gay."

There is only one slang word (an adjective) I know of that has maintained its precise meaning throughout many decades: it is used by teenagers today exactly as it was by teenagers fifty years ago. (It's not dirty.) Can you guess what it is?

LOL, well I'm sorry my friend, I don't see what on earth that has to do with this topic, it just seems like more out of context scripture being tossed out to defend someone's attempt to belittle someone's opinions on a public forum. Honestly, I don't mean to offend you, but that's exactly what it seems like to me, and I could pull out a list of verses myself at this point, but I really don't like using God's Word in that manner, and I don't care to argue about it.

Seriously, I don't care if a member of the forum thinks babies are born on mars and fly here on purple UFO's, we can still show them the respect of not calling them or their ideas "obsessed" or "blinded" or "ignorant," or "retarded." I'm hoping we all agree on this, even if no one here is polite enough to apologize for the remarks.

I do agree with you 100% when you say the percentage of pregnancies that truly 'need' to be terminated for that reason are so infinitesimal as to be practically non-existent, and I know you and I agree on the heart of the issue. :)

Now this is a very good question VR, and I've got to take a shot brother...
is the word: COOL?

I vote for 'Cool'..as in 50 yrs.ago='Cool Man!' Today it would be
more like...'Cool Bro'.:D

Billie

"Here Am I", you need to examine the quotes that you are using to justify your use of harsh words.

Who said them?
To whom was He speaking?

Thanks for clearing that up, VR.


I vote for "cool" too.....although I'm getting visions of Fonzie as I type this! ;)

"Cool", sometimes spelled "Kewl" online. :cool:

Technically, some of those women don't actually want an abortion... they just feel pressured into it and since they're unsaved and don't believe it's "sin", they go ahead and do it. Many women who have had abortions end up regretting it later... and have to deal with the guilt of killing their babies. However, the doctors that perform these abortions aren't doing it because "oops, I got pregnant"... they purposely chose to do that kind of work.

A great truth, I have seen this first-hand.
Some of the most strident pro-life women I have ever met were formerly subject to the coercion of a carefully worded "pitch" by the abortionist. Abortion is big business: In April, the annual report of Planned Parenthood Federation of America (largest abortion provider in America) revealed that the abortion giant had a total income of $1.02 billion—with reported profits of nearly $115 million.

According to the Guttmacher Institute, abortionist murderers are now killing almost ONE QUARTER of our population. Margaret Sanger would be proud of this horrible eugenics program---it's what she always envisioned.

And what market-distorting results do we get for those government incentives? 289,650 abortions in 2006.

A researcher who has spent over a decade examining the economic impact of abortion finds that the approximately 50.5 million abortions in the U.S. since 1970 have cost the American economy $35 TRILLION. That comes in the form of lost productivity by having fewer workers contributing to society.

Those contributions also come in the form of taxpayers contributing to state, federal and local governments that would have had more funds to pay teachers, offer health care benefits or put more police on the streets.

The cost to the economy also includes the lost support for the social security system, which experts say still presents a host of challenges for the future and questions about whether younger Americans will receive anything from it...

The question of the economic impact of abortion has come up before.

Steven Mosher, president of the Population Research Institute said last year that “When you look at the projections that show our population aging rapidly over the next few decades, when you see our economy and government programs such as Social Security risking bankruptcy, you can see that the United States’ annual 0.9% population growth rate is not enough." http://www.lifenews.com/nat2662.html

Howard has been warning since 1997 that the US faced a major financial crisis based on ongoing demographic trends.

In 1997, he wrote: “I see little hope that we can avoid an eventual crash on Wall Street that will make the 1930’s looking like cashing in your cards after a bad game of Monopoly."

He cites the Soviet Union as an example of a nation that allowed unlimited abortions to wreck its economy.

“The main reason for their collapse was internal – 300 abortions for every 100 live birth," he said. "Right now, there are not enough younger women to reverse their population decline. They are expected to lose another 40 million people between now and 2050.” more on that here:
http://www.lifenews.com/nat4440.html

This can't be emphasized enough. I am not a fan of Frank Peretti's, but he wrote a book called "Prophet" which exposes the abortion industry more fully and fearlessly than anything I've ever read - - - and this was in the context of a novel! Some of Peretti's other books strike me as unbearably hokey, but this was very well done, and I'd recommend it to anyone who cares about this subject.

Have you read it, Bro. Parrish? You'd love it.

No brother I haven't read that book, but thanks for the heads up, I might check into it...

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Aloha sister,

I am in complete agreement with you and hope and pray that you will not have to face this ordeal. But, and if you do, I believe you will have done everything humanly possible, and as such, I believe your judgment to be Scriptural and justified.

Don't let anyone (anywhere) put a load of "guilt" upon you - whatever you and your husband decide! :(

May God bless you, your husband, your toddler, and your unborn child.

Thank you so much for your kind words and prayers, they really mean a lot to me. This is a very difficult time for me and my family and I am very appreciative of your support. :o


God Bless

It is very easy to say what one would do IF faced with a certain situation, but it is completely different when the situation becomes reality. I hope beyond hope that you never have to face a situation like this, but please do not be quick to judge others.

Thank you so much for your kind words and prayer. They really mean a lot to me during this difficult time.

God Bless You!!!

There are two situations that truly threaten the life of the mother....at least two that I know about. Abruptio placentae and placenta previa. These can happen from very early on in a pregnancy to labor and childbirth. In the early months of childbirth, where the baby is not viable outside the womb is a good example to use. Abruptio placentae, if not repaired will most likely kill the mother and the baby has no chance to survive. I've seen this in the field and I've seen women die. Even in rare situations like this, it's very hard to make the decision to save the mother's life, but to allow her to die would be even more of a senseless act. I would pray that God would bless my wife with the ability to have more children after a situation like this rather than losing both. I don't consider that an abortion either as in either case the placenta, which is the life-support for the baby in the womb, is damaged beyond repair.

My daughter was diagnosed with placenta previa very early during her last pregnancy. Through continued prayer, the situation was cured and she gave birth in December.