Re: POTW "Simple Questions"
 

Aloha brother Steve,

Doxa's "simple" yeses or noes are not only the "LONGEST" I have ever seen, but they are also the most "confusing" I have ever read! :eek:

It simply amazes me as to how much confusion, leaven, and false doctrine is "floating" around Christian circles these days. :confused:

George and Biblestudent,

Yes some of the old timers were just fine with what they knew. They believed the Bible, and they did the best they could. So I no problem with Bible believers that may be wrong on a few issues.

The church is still going strong and doing well. My family left because my daddy was lead to leave. He still likes the preacher there now as do I. He is a good man, he is also wrong on a few issues, but a man believes the Bible. Here is a link where you can listen to one of his sermons if you like. he is a good preacher and if you listen to you'd agree with him about 97% of the time.

Ted Crotts - Pastor of Blackwater Community Church

http://www.beyondsunset.org/files/Pr...tts_Index.html

He preached this at a Baptist camp meeting. The message is only 21 minutes long. Check him out he has the power of God on him. Now he is a country boy and never attended Bible college, so he in not very polished. I'm sure you'll like the message, it is pretty good. Most of the IFB churches in the community like him and think he is a good good man has a good church, just not right about every issue. I'll say this he prays about one hour per day. That's better than any IFB I know. That is how the church was built and kept going strong. Those old timers believed in praying. He also prays for every member of his church by name everyday. That was one of the teachings of the church. This is the pastors job, that is what we were taught. That's not a bad teaching really. The Blackwater Community Church has more power than almost any IFB church I have ever been to in my life. After you hear this let me know what you think about this preacher. You'll love him. Listen to the message The Man Christ Jesus, it's good preaching.


Atlas

I came to this board tonight
 

I came to this board tonight to say something, and I found all these new messages.
But I will say it...in all the years that I have been on various forums, today was the first time I stooped so low as to pay evil for evil by saying hypocrite to George. After reading his ugly judgmental message to me, a fifty year old woman, I spoke to someone who really helped me to see what was going on here; hence, my reply.
But after spending time in the Word tonight, I see that I will continue on the road that God is leading me...one that will not repay evil for evil.
I am sorry that I was got tempted and replied the way I did, deserved or not, truthful or not, accurate or not.
Renee has also been dogging me since I began here on this forum, and at first I did not know why the hate/ugly messages.
But now I see.
My husband wonders why I am at yet another place that beats Christians like me up without cause. He can't understand it, nor can I. Nor can he understand when people constantly twist what I say into something else and act like they are Christians.
It is like I am handing someone a baseball bat and say beat me I like it.

What upsets me so much, is this KJV forum thing. It kind of scares me.
Kind of confuses me, really, now, as I see something greatly wrong with what is going on here. Is this the true picture and outcome of KJV only folks?
It just can't be.
The Bibles says to study to show thyself approved; I cannot believe that there are some here who don't like it when you study to show yourself approved, rightly dividing the Word...even if it means learning from the Greek words that were translated into English.

But even more, people like George and Renee who have a problem with people do not talk to them privately, but blast people and fleece them openly and brazenly and judgmentally without knowing who they are either.
And yet, people rally to their side, like they are good Christians serving the Lord in the Lord's ways. This also disturbs me greatly.

You all can say that I am humanist, into psychology and all those things, of which I am not, and lie and make up stuff, but that does not make it true. You can say things about "tazers" or whatever, but that does not make it true.
You can all rally around and say it is so, but it is not.
For you all know what I said.

As I said, I embrace All of the Word of God. I still believe it is not good to do Sword Wars. I can get out 1 & 2 Timothy and Titus and so forth and quote Scriptures if you want, but I am sure you all know where they are, and what we are to do, and what we are not to do...when speaking to one another.

I am tired. But even more I am so sad...so sad to see how some handle the Word of God. The End.

Doxa, for one, I have not dogged you and for another, I went and reread my post that concern you and if there are any hate and ugly messages, you have read them into my post. I hate evil and will never let anyone say something about my husband that is not true. He is true and forthright. He says what he means, a little hard to take sometimes, I grant you that. With George you know where you stand, and like he said if the heat is too hot get out of the kitchen.

George is 68 and I am 64, we are still a bit older then you, don't you think. I could have come down on you for that "George, George, George" and I didn't so, again you are wrong about my dogging you. That was a little condescending of you and I let it pass even though it was not respectful of an elder. An elder person in age and biblical learning.

I am not counting you as lost, only God knows your heart. Only be sure of the gospel by which you were (and I hope are)saved.

In another post I posted my salvation testimony. I believed all that the Catholic thought. I said the Apostle's Creed and it was my own creed. All that I believed and was lost and headed for hell. I loved the Lord and tried to serve Him continually, but it was all dung on the dung heap. After we were married for three years, I accepted the finished work on the Cross, His death, burial, resurection, and assencion. I received MY Lord as my Saviour, I became a child of God.

There is only on Gospel of Salvation!

I am not sorry for anything I have said, for I speak the truth and lie not. I will defend my husband in all truth, I have this right. As a wife of 47 years I know a lot more about George then you do, so bug off and don't put words in his mouth. And this may be personal to you, but to me it is not. I would gladly shout it to the whole world.

Renee

After a difficult night
 

After a difficult night, my husband and I spoke this morning about this crisis here and I mentioned that it appears that the KJV only folks here reject the Greek manuscripts where the KJV came from, and he told me that that was it, the makings of a cult.
Ironically, I too last night was in deep contemplation about all this. And I thought about a scenario where I was in Heaven and Jesus came to me and lovingly handed me the Book of John that HE reconstituted/re-materialized, the original Greek, the same handwritten manuscript that John wrote and gave me understanding to read it. Trembling, I would be for sure, to be given such a gift to look at and be able to read, as I so love the Book of John.
And I realized, I would not be telling the Lord Jesus, no thanks, King James always worked for me, I don't need this old thing.
Actually, I would be totally overwhelmed, in such unspeakable joy.

As I thought on all these things, I certainly realize that I do believe that the Greek as far as studying the New Testament, is important to me because I know enough about languages to know that Greek for example is a larger dictionary than English, and being that I am German I sometimes think in German still and know that it often takes several English words to totally translate some German words that I know, and the other way too.

What I do know is that I treasure the King James Bible and it is a treasure and has been for centuries. But I do not know the hundreds of other translations into other languages around the world and how they relate to the KJV, nor do I know the translators or have any idea how good even the best of them are. I don't know much about them at all, and I probably don't have the ability to know without much, much study in their languages.

This is the heartbeat of all of this and the realization why I am probably batting heads with people here.
If God should give me the original manuscripts and understanding to know the original languages, I would receive it totally, much more than the KJV...even if they were identical or not.
And so in light of this truth of how I feel, and believe, perhaps I really don't belong here.
So while for me the KING JAMES BIBLE might be the best BIBLE to me on planet earth, I certainly would not reject the original "real" original manuscripts if God were to give them to me.
So I guess that is this forums ticket to boot me out.
For that is how I believe.

First of, a Cult as you put it has a central Body that MAKES decisions for its members, what should be abundantly clear from this forum is that MANY disagree with doctrinal issues, so therefore how can it be a cult when there those sort of disagreements. We are independent, the Bible is our final authority not a man, not a college or a body.

What greek manuscripts? We reject the westcott and hort / nestle / aland texts
No one here rejects the Textus Receptus, if they do then they don't belong on this forum.

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

The "originals" have passed away, Christ himself said that his words wouldn't, and they haven't, they are preserved in the KJB.
You have the book of John to read now, what on earth are you talking about.

As for your simple "yes" or "no" to my five questions.
You clearly don't have a handle on doctrinal issues and the pitfalls of false doctrine, especially concerning salvation. The Roman Catholics may believe that Jesus exists, but let me tell you this, they are NOT born again, they believe in a different jesus.

2 Thessalonians 1:7
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Galatians 1:6
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervertthe gospel of Christ.

The Catholic Church came from babylon, the queen of heaven whom they worshiped became mary

Jeremiah 7:18
The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

As for the rest of what you pasted, It seems to me you are either Charismatic or right on the fringe, pentecostal? Feeling / emotion based religion, no care for real doctrine, real Gospel just how "we feel".

Let me expound this verse and I pray that it strikes your understanding from the LORD Jesus Christ (Not in a vision, nor a revelation, you verge on Todd Bently ground by saying that stuff) BUT BY WORD ALONE.

Matthew 7:13
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Amen to a powerful preaching!

The problem is that you, Doxa, don't believe the Bible. You do not believe that God has preserved His word in the King James Bible. You believe that if you don't like something in the Bible, or it doesn't sound right to you, then the true meaning must have been lost. This is where false doctrines come from, people inserting what they think God really said or meant into the Bible. We do not need to go back to the Greek! It's of no use to us anymore! Otherwise God wasted His time giving us His word in English! Furthermore, God preserved His word in the KJB, God did it. Therefore, since He gave it to us and expects and commands us to study it, why would we go back to the Greek, when we have a very high chance of translating it incorrectly? God already gave us His word.

And even further still, don't you think it's a little hard for women to hold the possition of Pastor or Deacon in the church, seeing as they must find a way to be the husband of one wife first?

People of the Way
 

I thought about what you said, and I wanted to comment about your definition of pentecostal or charismatic.
Interesting. Even more I see that your five questions were so to speak trick questions, indeed, although you said they were not, so you could be loaded with your bag of answers for it. I know I made it very hard for you because I answered a lot by Scripture.

Is it because I believe in miracles and visions and obviously gift of tongues per the many, many Scripture verses pertaining to it...
But what would you say if I told you that I have been to a church for a time that had a true manifestation visit from the Lord?
Where people saw amazing things?
I did.
No tricks.
Or should I deny a summer of miracles that I had one year?
Or should I deny a year where God kept telling me in many ways that HE would never leave or forsake me...which brought me through many tough times since then?
Or when HE spoke to me directly?
You can throw out all those Scriptures from the Bible of God's amazing presence in our lives, but I will not nor can I...I have seen too much.

Or would you rather hear about my persecutions? I have had many of those too. Paul in the New Testament elaborates on his trials.

So, I will do as you bid...quote Scriptures to validate my point. Particularly consider the last verse, "but denying the power thereof"

2 Tim 3:1-6

3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.


KJV

Josh
 

Wow, Josh, you said to me "You believe that if you don't like something in the Bible, or it doesn't sound right to you, then the true meaning must have been lost. This is where false doctrines come from, people inserting what they think God really said or meant into the Bible." AND THERE YOU SAID -- PASTOR. Wow, I just did a search in the KJV concordance for Pastor and it told me that there is only one mention of PASTOR in the King James Bible. Here it is...

KJV

Jer 17:16-17
16 As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day; thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right before thee.
KJV

Actually, it's "Here Am I", but call me "Lor". :)

I specifically did not use the "I am" because it might be construed as me saying I'm God, or something like that.

But I digress... :D

Thank you brother, for your clarification. I've not yet worried or fretted over this forum, and have rarely gotten upset in any forum for a long while. I've been witnessing and discussing doctrine on the internet since shortly after I got saved, eight years ago; I've been baptised in 'fire', so to speak.

I'm no noob. ;)

I'd be lying if I said I never got my feelings hurt when others disagreed with me, but the Lord is good to me, and reminds me of what He went through for my salvation, the pain He suffered makes my occasional 'hurt feelings' look like a butterfly kiss.

Brother, all brothers and sisters: don't stop proclaiming what the Bible says! I might agree, but if I disagree, I'll tell you why, and back it up with Scripture. No hard feelings, hmm? :D

And from these discussions, maybe we'll all learn something that will help us with our time spent here on earth.

To avoid any misunderstandings
 

I just want to add...I looked up the plural... PASTORS also, and I found these...

Jeremiah 2:8, 3:15, 10:21, 12:10, 22:22, 23:1, 23:2 and Eph 4:11 (of course I even quoted that one just a bit ago!)

I did not see any Scripture reference that was converting Deacons into Pastors as the same or something of that nature here in the King James Version.

Actually, most of the verses pertaining to Pastors, sad to say, in Jeremiah are negative, not all but most.

Here I am
 

So, do you also change the words of the King James Bible to merit your views or someone else's? Bishop to Pastor?
If you do so, you will find yourself disclaiming your claim also on the pure King James Word, you will in fact, then, find the translation faulty by saying so.
For if Pastor should be in that verse as well, it would be there, then.
Also, regarding rapture or trinity or any words that are not found in the Bible, in pure scholarly form, people do find fault with it as not a purist in the Bible word for that matter. They may embrace it or not as extra words.
But that surprises me because on a board like this, I would perceive that those holding to the KJV would not find the re-wording acceptable, nor extra words the key ingredient of the Word of God. This awareness newly amazes me.
Does not the King James Bible present the Word of God, or not?

Oh, wow, I think I am doing a happy dance, believe it or not.
I do not have to embrace what is not found therein!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH OH OH OH

You're going to have to change your attitude if you want to stick around here. In fact, I don't understand why you are here at all. There are plenty of "anything goes" forums for you to do your happy dance in. We don't need it here.

The LORD speaks to me to, through his Holy Word.
Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Im done with you, too much todd bently / benny hinn in you for my liking.
My questions werent a trick I wanted to know where you stood doctrinally, no trick there.

That just grieves the Holy Ghost within me, I shudder at that statement.

No more of you, for me. You are preaching another jesus.

Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

Indeed!

If she means that they had an actual manifestation of the Lord Himself there with them, then she is in the presence of and being decieved by devils. The Bible tells me that no man hath seen the Lord, save the Son.

On the subject of salvation, without knowing that the Lord Jesus died for your sins, and rose again, then you have no one to believe on that will get you to Heaven. You can't get saved before you know of Jesus and what He did on the cross.

And yes, I said Pastor. Bishop in the KJB and what we call a Pastor today are the same thing. Just different words, that's all.

The King James does not say "Thou shalt not exceed the speed limit", so do you go over the speed limit or not?

Sister, you are being silly right now, like a child who has discovered how to play with words in order to get away with what she wants to do...

"But Mom, you told me to come home after school, you didn't say I couldn't stop at the candy store for a couple minutes...it is on the way home..." :rolleyes:

"In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes." (Judges 17:6)

Wow Josh
 

Josh quote: "If she means that they had an actual manifestation of the Lord Himself there with them, then she is in the presence of and being decieved by devils."

25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?
KJV


How true because I said that God manifested Himself to us (yet I did not say how). Yet, it was indeed God Who manifested Himself in such a special way. Oh, wow, it happened to me. Oh wow.
God's Word is so very, very, very true, of course. Sad in this case, but oh, so true.

Also, this whole forum is here to declare the KJV and now folks are mad because I have a realization of the ramifications of it all!!!!!!!!!!!
OH WOW OH WOW!!!!
Go ahead and make fun.
You cannot take the joy away from me.
Does not the Word say I can leap for joy?

Luke 6:22-24
22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.
KJV

Re: Here Am I - "My Mistake"
 

Aloha sister Here Am I,

So sorry for the mistake. It was a slip of the mind - not intentional. I saw it later on, but it was already too late to correct it. Hopefully it won't happen again.

Thanks you for your testimony. I can tell from your Posts that you are well grounded in the Scriptures and I personally welcome your comments and possible criticisms.

If I may seem harsh to some people at times, it's because I have a low tolerance for leaven and false doctrine. And, since I have been around (as a Christian) longer than most of the people on this Forum, I have seen "Christians" commit practically every sin in "The Book" (with the exception of murder).

I have seen and heard "Christians" lie, deceive, defraud, cheat, steal, distort, intimidate, coerce, force, hate, swear, commit both fornication & adultery (not with my eyes of course!), and give false witness.

I have observed "Christians" who are covetous, lascivious, proud, foolish, and blasphemous.

On several occasions I have both seen and heard "Christian" wives spurn every attempt at reconciliation with their husbands, and who have proceeded to divorce them in the face of God's clear prohibition [Mt. 19:6; Mr. 10:9].

I have seen "Christian" men who are drunks, who refuse to repent and turn away from their sins and turn unto God.

I know of a "Christian" man (who was once my friend) that committed suicide just a few years ago.

We Christians are a "mixed bag" at best. We Christians (in the Western World) are just like the church at Corinth (CARNAL & SELF-WILLED). That is why I & II Corinthians are so appropriate for us today. You couldn't find a church in all of Paul's letters that was as fleshly and messed up as the Corinthian church.

We Christians have a problem:"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" [Jeremiah 17:9] We think that this verse only applies to the lost or to some other "Christians" - but certainly not us!

None of this "rant" is directed at you sister. It's just that there are some "Christians" out there who are naive and oblivious to the truth. Who think the Christian life is just "a bed of roses" or that we should be "tiptoeing through the tulips" from here on in; when the harsh reality is - we aren't any better than the lost and no more deserving of God's love than them. Thank God for His mercy and His grace that has been extended towards those of us who have believed the Gospel. Thanks be to God for His unspeakable gift - The Lord Jesus Christ! :)

Aloha sister Here Am I,

If you want to see a living, breathing, actual example (illustration) of a "Sophist" - all you have to do is read Doxa's Posts! :( She is the "perfect example" of a Humanist/Sophist.

2 Timothy 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

It's not only: "men of corrupt minds," These verses apply to women also! :eek:

But not to you sister Here Am I. :)

That's why I worded it the way I did Doxa. I've been in meeting where the Lord "showed up", "came down" and such, but I've never heard anyone say the Lord came in a manifestation. Of coarse the Lord's resence can be strong, and even felt at times. It seemed like you were saying he showed Himslef or something.

So, how exactly did he "manifest" Himself?

Thank you, brother, for your kind words. I've been encouraged by many of the brethren here (and 'sistern', too).

I have been blessed with good mentoring since I was born again, by being shown from the start the truth of God's word, the Authorized Version.

I also was introduced to some good Bible teachers, such as brothers Ruckman, Peacock, Knox, Melton, Grady and Riplinger, to name a few.

I've seen enough on forum message boards to really sicken me, and sadden my spirit. I've recently been on the receiving end of some really un-Christ-like behavior from people with whom I spent a number of years in fellowship at our old church. I understand, but I don't.

But they are only hurting themselves.

Amen, brother. You are definitely preaching to the choir here. :D

Josh
 

As of this message, I am taking a break from this forum as I am obeying my husband.
But I will answer you, but I won't be looking for your reply or anyone else's as I must stop for now.
But to answer your question. Indeed, many of us saw the glory of God particularly on the platform area in the sanctuary, it actually looked like a misty cloud at times elevated just above the platform. It was very faint, but very much amazing. (That church did not have anything special going on, like fancy music technology, just mixer microphones piano and that kind of thing, just basic church that would fit 400 or more easily.)
In front of the altar area it was so thick (not visually), one felt like they were walking through water, and it was like that, one could hardly walk fast around that area.
But it was so much more than that-- the things that we people were experiencing, and it was also the first time the Lord spoke to me in a loud voice (I thought other people heard it!). Sometime later, a number of us, including the pastor, smelled God, it was like true incense that I could feel in my throat. That church does not have incense, by the way.
And yet, I still could go on.
However, sadly, controlling spirits chased out and grieved the Holy Spirit.
And it was so traumatic to our congregation that a lot of us mourned for a long time...for what does one do when God's manifestation that came, leaves? The loss is great.
But then, God revealed to me all over again, that HE will never leave or forsake me.
JESUS IS SO VERY GOOD.
Around this time, we even had a young man who was found under a pew foaming at the mouth and was completely possessed. But some men took him into another room. As my husband was one and chooses to respond as Jesus would, my husband did not yell and scream, but prayed deliverance/peace over him. My husband always seems to do the right thing, as this man walked out like a man again who was doing much better.
I so very much adore and appreciate my husband.

So long for now.

I was going to write something here, but im truly stunned at that post.
God appeared in a cloud, he spoke (but only to Doxa) then everyone smelt him.
then a man was left under a pew foaming at the mouth.:eek::eek::eek:
I think its best you stay away from this forum and that is the best nudge your husband has given so far in all this debacle.
That is as Kundalini based as lakeland florida is, as was toronto airport. Familiar spirits.
That post has just made me shudder again. Completely stunned:eek:

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Guys,


Doxa's last post sure was a humdinger. What a way to go out is all I can say.


:D


Atlas

That's the wisest thing I've read yet, Doxa. Great post!

Wow. Such deception. A misty cloud -- I could do that any number of ways in my back yard (complete with smell) and I wouldn't put it past the Benny Hinn types to pull stunts like that to extract a few more pennies from the congregation. So you saw the Holy Spirit some how defeated by "controlling spirits" in front of you? You are deceived! You are looking for a physical manifestation of the Spirit, when the Spirit resides in the believer!?

This is what happens when people don't rightly divide and seek signs and wonders, instead of walking by faith.

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

Since you have openly shared with us your husband's desire for you to not post here, I will close your account so you won't be tempted to.

Galatians 6:1 (KJV) Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

This spirit of meekness is totally absent in many here, not all, but many. I'm not here to defend everything Doxa has said. Please don't imply that that is why I am here. I am here to show love for her, since I completely understand why she is voicing her opinion.

George, and wife. Your words cannot hurt me anymore. I keep my eyes on JESUS, and you will not cause me to faulter.

Atlas, you don't know me brother. You don't know my struggles, and my motives. Please don't make me your enemy because I choose to take a stand for charity, and against those that make sport out of people on these forums.

Peace and Love,
Stephen

EDIT: I just saw the post on the visitation and miracles and tongues... Just for the record, I didn't realize she was into those things. I don't support or condone those groups that do. My points I made do remain. I saw this whole thread as another "heretic hunt" which is all to common around here, when I didn't have all the facts about Doxa. I'm not saying she's a heretic, but I am saying I don't agree with everything she believes. I simply agree that if love for the brethren is lacking, that it is a most sure sign that something else is lacking...

Stephanos,

I said I did not know if you were a wolf or just a man that was messed up a little bit, but you are one of the other. I spent a lot of that post talking about my old pastor that was messed up on a few things but was a good man that loved God and worked hard for the Lord. He was saved and a good man. I said you may be the same way. You can take that post as you may, if you read the post that is? I doubt you did read it, if you did I was defending some people that have a few problems but that do the best they can. I did say I do not know if you are a wolf or not, but that I would not let you near the chicken house.


Atlas

You don't have to guess about who I am, nor about whom I serve Atlas. I want to make things very clear. There are two things I know and believe, that govern my whole life. First, that my sins are forgive because of what Christ Jesus did on calvary (and three days later). Second, that the King James Bible is the inerrant, and preserved Word of God. I don't believe in any funky weirdness like some groups do. I am Mennonite, but in my defense I am reading "One Book Rightly Divided" to get a better understanding of what you all defend and believe so fiercely, since I've percieved from the very beginning that you all value those that 'study to show thyself aproved'. I will also add that a lot of what I've read in this book I agree with. There are some points made in this book that I think are very loose theories that aren't any stronger than other theories I've heard/read. When I finish the book I'll share my thoughts on what I've read. Onward, I didn't come here with any agenda. I think I made myself clear early on when I said that the reason I came here was to find fellowship among those that do believe as I do about the King James Bible.

You think I'm a mild WWJD'er, which would be partially correct. The truth is is that I'm a What Would Jesus have me Do'er. I'm not God, and cannot take on that role, but I am called for a purpose, that is, His purpose.

Romans 8:28 (KJV) And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Ephesians 2:10 (KJV) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

I LOVE the strength of doctrine among IFB Christians, but it does concern me that I so rarely see among some (again, not all) a complete lack of humility, meekness, and charity towards the brethren. We all have to pick and choose our battles, and I for one admit I've picked a few on these forums I shouldn't have. But this defense I make for charity is one that is important to me, and I feel it should be important for all who strive to live a life well pleasing to the Lord.

Colossians 3:12-17 (KJV) Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness. And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

So I ask you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, please don't get me wrong Atlas. I know I am often wrong, but please look past the heat of this threads discussion and see my true motive.

For Jesus' sake,
Stephen

Dear Renee, I didn't realize you were offended by the image of Christ in my avatar. Sorry it took so long for me to realize this. I do not wish to offend one of the brethren when I can avoid it. Especially over something like this that isn't worth making a fuss over. I've changed my avatar to accomodate your unspoken wishes.

Yours in Christ Jesus,
Stephen

Stephanos,

I will make a post called " Dispensational Charts by Clarence Larkin " just for you it may help you a little on this issue. It will help you see what we are always talking about. It will also help you see what C.I. Scofield is saying.

I am not opposed to you. I do however wonder why you seem to agree with every new odd ball that comes by, this is my point to you. My old pastor never sided with odd balls and cultist against folks that believed the Bible but differed with him on a few issues. He always stood with Bible believers opposed to false teachers and cultist. This is my problem with you. This is what I was talking about in the " mini WWJD " comment.

Atlas

Fair enough. I can see how it would appear that I stick up for certain aberrant types. This isn't intentional. When I saw this thread when it was young I didn't realize Doxa wasn't a regular here. I thought I had seen her name come up a at least a few times, and didn't remember it being in threads with questionable content. I should have looked into her previous threads before siding with her in her original objection.

I have all of Clarence Larkin's dispensational charts. I would like to get his book (I forget the title), but it'll have to wait till I finish Stauffer's.

Peace and Love,
Stephen

Hi Stephanos,

Thank you very much, that is certainly a much better avatar. I guess with my Cathoilc background it really stuck in my craw to see my Lord suffering still when indeed He is sitting at the right hand Of the Father. Perhaps now, even though I don't believe the same as you on a lot of things, I can read your posts without being so disappointed in some of the things I read.

Once again, thank you very much for removing such an eyesore.

Renee

Brother Stephen. Personally, I truly receive your reminder to "love one another as Christ has loved us", but we must also remember the Words of God concerning this specific matter. I agree with you that we should be as Christ Jesus, meek, even when dealing with error. Thanks for your encouragement.

Romans 16:17 warns, “Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.”

2 Thessalonians 3:5-6 says, “And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ. Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.”

I personally, along with others, believe that Doxa's erroneous doctrine is a deviation from sound rule and order and departs from what we've learned in the Word of God. Her teaching has also caused some division. Wouldn't you agree?

Yeah, I would agree. I'm sorry to have fanned the flames like I did. I also appreciate that you see that I wasn't just trying to do just that, but that I initially just wanted to balance things out, since I percieved that things were going to go south (like they did, and without my understanding that it was inevitable).

Thank you Forrest.

Much Love in Christ Jesus,
Stephen

Re: Stephanos& "discernment"
 

Stephen,

Your Post is instructive of someone who lacks "spiritual discernment" (I say this as kindly as I can and without malice). Soon after Doxa joined the Forum , my wife and I both suspected by 09/09/08 that she might be "Connie" returning under another name.

Why is that so? Because of the "content" of her Posts (check them out) and her "attitude" and "conduct" on the Forum. Also, because we have been Christians for a lot longer than many (yourself included) brethren on this Forum.

Having attended at least a dozen churches in 50 years, and having dealt with all kinds of "Christians" in those years has given us some insight and discernment that younger Christians may not have.

I have given you advise in the past, and I am going to give you a little bit more now:

Your emphasis on "LOVE" is misplaced. God is far more concerned with TRUTH than He is "Love":

Psalms 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

Very simply put: There is NOTHING in the entire Universe that is above the NAME OF OUR HOLY GOD - BUT, He has MAGNIFIED HIS WORD ABOVE HIS NAME! :) {Now I don't magnify God's word above His name - But God does!}. Which means that there is NOTHING in the entire Universe that God thinks more of than His HOLY WORD! {And that includes "LOVE", "PEACE", or "UNITY" or any thing else that man may choose to embrace above His truth.}

Your desire to "love" the brethren is both admirable and proper. But, you first have to know whether someone is a brother or sister in Christ. We are not to treat heretics, false prophets (or "prophetesses"), false teachers, and those "Christians" who would "divide" us (false "brethren"?), the same as we are to treat "genuine" brethren.

Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
{There's the HOLINESS OF GOD - for all to see!}

God is a Tri-Part Being – Body, Soul, Spirit (Substance)
The substantive attributes of God are-God is: Eternal = I AM

Self Existing[without beginning or end of existence]Immortal-Perpetual-Unchangeable

Omniscient(All-Knowing - All-Seeing.)

Omnipotent(All Powerful – Unlimited Power.)

Omnipresent(Everywhere - Present in all places at the same time)


God possesses a Heart and a Mind (Faculties)
The moral attributes of God are - God is: Holy

Holy (Perfectly Pure–Sacred) {Holiness is God’s primary moral attribute}

Just(Righteous, Principled, Upright, Equitable, Impartial)
Truth(True, Genuine, Faithful, Honest, Veracity, Fidelity)
Love(Benevolence, Good Will, Charitable)
Mercy(Grace, Pardon, Compassionate, Pitiful)

Before God's "LOVE", comes God's HOLINESS; JUSTICE; and TRUTH! {God's Holiness and Justice demands payment for SIN! God's MERCY and LOVE provided the payment! And it's through hearing God's TRUTH that we are saved.} If God's primary attribute was LOVE, then all He would have to is "forgive" everyone (in "love") and be done with it, but God's Holiness will not allow Him to do that.

There is a very difficult "balance" that each of us as Christians are faced with in our walk with God. If we emphasis the truth (without "love"), we can become "doctrinaire" and "Pharisaical" {that's my "danger"}; on the other hand, if we emphasis "love" above the truth we will fail to discern between good and evil and eventually compromise God's Holy word {that's your "danger"}. It's good for us to be aware of our weaknesses and tendencies and to be on guard against them.

I hope you will take this under advisement, and consider that it was not given in malice or anger. I believe that a large part of my ministry is to try to "edify" the brethren, and this advise is meant for your edification and not for your destruction. :)

Thank you George. I really do appreciate this. I agree with everything you've said here. Balance is something I've always struggled to find. I appreciate brethren such as yourself who can help a young Christian such as myself see things from a different perspective (and thankfully a more mature and well founded perspective).

For Jesus' sake,
Stephen