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Following the metaphor I outlined, a perfect copy/translation can be one made by faithful translators who strove towards perfection, but is not necessarily perfect in all regards (as the Original was). |
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Deuteronomy 30:11-12 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? |
While I am not a KJV onliest, I don't believe that people useing these new versions will go to hell because they use other versions. But it is all to clear that people using these new bastardised verisons are being affected, and not in a good maner.
Jesus referd to the Word of God as food , 4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. Luke 4:4. I believe that verse, I believe that the Word of God, the holy Bible is our spiritual food source. When we neglect to read, (or eat) it we are starving our selves. If our food source is tainted by satans lies, it is indeed a corrupt food source. How can a NIV be God's word when it has no idea who killed goliath, or that it was lucifer who was cast out of heave, not the morning star of Revelation 22:14 Now in the OT, if a priest came into contact with something unclean during a sacrifice, the whole sacrifice would beconsidered unclean and the preast would have to restart. If that is true, then certintly the NIV can in no wise be the word of God. There were atleased two of the NIV commitie members who were open unrepentent sodomites. One of them was the head editor of the OT. And the second was a sodomite woman who was also into the Occult . (read Gale Ripplingers Book "New age Bible verisons) Let me ax you a question, what good would it be to me, or anyone else if Gods perfect word was only in the Greek and Hebrew originaly autographs. Can you tell me were I can get a copy, cause last time I checed nobody at any one time ever had all 66 original autographs in one volume. This is my conviction on Greek and hebrew, its not scripture, but I think theres something to it. If your using Hebrew or Greek to edifie, or glorifie Gods word the AV 1611, thats one thing, but If you are using Hebrew or Greek to correct God's word, to prove it wrong then you are putting yoursefl into the same position that Eve put herself into in the Garden. Your making your self God by saying, "yea, hath God said"? I believe that is a very dangerous place to be in. Your setting your self above God's word when it says "for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name." Ps 138:2 |
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BTW, I deal with this issue here: http://av1611.com/kjbp/articles/staggs-treatise.html Quote:
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Diligent: "Honest and Biblical Pointers" (how Mr. Ng can determine what is Biblical when God's word is hidden from him in heaven I do not know. Perhaps Mr. Ng has some sort of personal inspiration?) It always amazes me how folks want to argue against the existence of pure and tangible and perfect scripture from scripture. If the scripture is not there in our hands, and perfect, it cannot prove anything. "Show me from Scripture ! show me from Scripture ! ... " The skeptic position is more honest than the textual apostate. The skeptic simply says pure scripture does not exist. The skeptic does not make a pretension of using scripture to prove its non-existence. Shalom, Steven |
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Websters 1828: settle: to establish, to confirm, to free from doubt, to make certain or permanent, to fix, etc. preserve: to keep or save from injury or destruction, to uphold, to sustain, to save from decay, etc. To be settled is to be made free from doubt, permanent, and fixed; thus God's Word must be in a state of perfection and completion (total) - "in heaven". If permanent and fixed, it is in a state of preservation. Perhaps we have different understandings of the English language. Quote:
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Please, if you want to discuss, go back to my posts and tell me why you want someone to prove the purity of Scripture from Scripture -- if all scripture on earth is impure (as you claim) it can prove nothing at all anyway. Whether impure writings can "communicate" a bit is another question. Impure writings, mixed and leavened, could never be relied upon for proof of anything. Shalom, Steven |
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I also wrote earlier: Though imperfect (in our understanding), faithful copies and translations can still considered to be the "perfect" word of God, and can communicate God's Gospel, though through a "glass darkly". They can be considered to be "perfect" as the translators strove for perfection. |
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Perfect means imperfect... "Give me a proof from the (imperfect) perfect scriptures that shows that they are really (perfect) perfect." Off to Wonderland. Shalom, Steven |
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Shalom, Steven |
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Thank you and all for your insights! |
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And I don't mind one smidgen if accepting and believing God's word, that he has by grace allowed to be in my hands, is pure and prefect .. makes me someone's 'opponent'. What a difficult place to be ... having Bible believers as your opponent and never really knowing what is God's perfect word, striving and straining to find it, yet it is not there to be found, God's word is hidden away, unaccessible Shalom, Steven |
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I also have no problem following the KJV; it says, and I believe. I am a Bible believer. I don't doubt a single word because I believe the spirits and hearts behind the KJV (the translators) strove for perfection without taint of heresy. Any (minor) imperfections in the KJV I believe God will correct for me in heaven, but til then, I believe I am counted perfect because I have striven for perfection in my choice of translation, though not having reached it on this earth. "Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God." (1 Jn 3:21) |
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